max baer vs larry holmes....

If LHW Loughran could box Baers ears off I don't think a much bigger Holmes would have any trouble. Loughran couldn't even hit and Baer couldn't get to him. Imagine what a stick and move 6'3" 215 lb Holmes would do. Baers only chance is a knockout and I don't see it happening. It's possible but not likely. A one handed fighter isn't beating a prime Holmes.

 

Holmes all day, as much as i don't dispute that Baer gives him considerable trouble, i'm being asked who wins, Holmes all day.

 

Many of those same publications at that time, also said that Roberto Duran wasn't an all time great lightweight.

 

Well, the great right hands were the weak point of holmes. Past prime shavers had ko to holmes, simply shavers did not have the stamina to finish him. Baer by ko once for sure. Baer had a hell of right hand,more stamina than shavers for sure.,better chin,he was bigger. Holmes would have chance to win a rematch by ud. But baer would beat holmes once by ko.

 

A very bad match for Baer..as he would have been picked to pieces and stopped on a tko in the 10th, or thereabouts...however...if he got lucky, as Shavers and Snipes did, then they would have had to retrieve Holmes' peanut head out of the crowd somewhere in the middle aisles.

 

Could Baer ring Larry's bell? Of course. Could Baer knock Larry down? Yes. But, essentially, Baer CANNOT out-point Larry Holmes and he CANNOT knock him out, 99/100. Gross mismatch. Maxie takes a tearing for 12-15.

 

In the combined 33 rounds or so that Shavers lasted with Holmes in their two fights, Larry won about 29 of them, and was only really in trouble once.. That knockdown was caused by one of the very hardest right hands in the division's history, and one that did not belong to Max Baer.. Holmes was about 2 or 3 levels above Baer in the skill and speed department, had the reach and was arguably more durable. In fact, even Gerry Cooney threw straiter punches, and had a very polished left hook - leading me to believe that he was more polished than Max, and that says nothing about being much greater in size and having comparable power.. I think Holmes would have done a similar job to Baer as he did to Cooney, but with even less trouble.

 

All you have to do is watch the Braddock fight and imagine if it was Holmes in there. No I don't even think Baer is particularly a live body in this fight

 

max baer was better than earnie shavers with comparable hitting power,max was more durable, he had much better chin, more stamina and he was better boxer,simple. the hitting power of shavers is overrated

very wrong, baer had one of the hardest right hands in the history, and he killed men in the ring,

no he was not

gerry cooney had a very weak chin,he had just a left hook(not the weak point of holmes), baer was harder puncher,much more durable, he had better chin and more stamina. probably baer would ko cooney without great problems

 

cooney was just taller,but he was clearly weak , he was a skinny he was not nothing muscular.

 

Earnie Shavers is commonly regarded by many ( and not just a few ) as the number one hardest right handed puncher in the division's history. From there you would have to go through Lewis, Tyson, Foreman, Liston, Louis, Marciano, Liston and several others, before finally arriving at Max Baer in the power department. Holmes survived Earnie's best on two occasions. This doesn't leave much of a case for Baer knocking Holmes out with a wild looping right.

I'll give you that he had better stamina, but the chin thing is debatable. The only real puncher that he ever fought, who could land systematically on him, was a very young and green Joe Louis who stopped him in 4 rounds.. His chin might have been better than Earnie's but against a man who wasn't a big hitter and would be looking to pick him apart, like Holmes, a slightly better chin isn't going to make much of a difference.

Combining the words "boxer" and "Baer" is like combining oil and water... They just don't go together.

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Tell that to Holmes and Ali who both concur that he was the hardest hitter they ever faced. These were two men who took shots from the combined list of George Foreman, Joe Frazier, Sonny Liston, Mac Foster, Gerry Cooney, Tim Witherspoon, Mike Weaver, Ron Lyle, Ray Mercer and Mike Tyson to name a few.. Frankly, I'm going with the testimony of Ali and Holmes..

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Perhaps up to HIS point in history.. There are many who would come later who had better punching stats, destroyed bigger men, and retained their power well into old age.

I think you need to check your research... only one man died after facing Baer. That was Frankie Campbell, who floored Baer, and while walking back to his corner, thinking that he had won the round, Baer came back unexpectedly and threw a cheap shot to the back of Campbell's head. In between rounds, Campbell said that something just didn't feel right after that shot, and wasn't the same in the next round. Baer got him up against the ropes and hammered him with numerous shots, while both Campbell's corner and the ref watched without taking any action... Campbell died in a hospital days later... So your ascertion that he was a harder puncher than Earnie Shavers, because he "killed me" in the ring doesn't say much..

Are you saying that Bear was more durable than Holmes?

Perhaps, but it took a sustained beating from Holmes over many rounds before Cooney's corner threw in the towel.. The rest of Gerry's stoppage losses came when he was past his prime, coming off of long periods of inactivity, and one of which against George Foreman..

He had a pretty damn good jab, and a fairly servicable right.. He could also box on his feet when he wanted to, something that Baer never did in his life.

There is a lot of speculation in this statement. And while he might have had a better chin, I have doubts about him being a harder puncher, or beating Cooney without any trouble.

 

Yet he put a fair number of men on ***** street without much effort.

 

prime holmes weighed 209-210 pounds and in his early career he weighed 190 pounds in 6´3

 

No matter how much spin someone tries to put on it, at the end of the day, this whole thread can basically be summed up to what Duodenum said earlier...

" Max needs a knockout to win, and it just isn't happening."

Thread closed.

 

shavers did not have the stamina.
the hitting power is not the only factor to knock anyone out.foreman knocked lyle out and shavers could not. baer is top 10 hardest punchers, of course he had the power,the stamina and the chin to knock holmes out. please, weaver,snipes,spoon,past prime norton gave the hell to holmes.joe louis would ko holmes for sure. and cooney was destroyed by a lhw like spinks,grandfather foreman, cooney just did beat shots like lyle,norton or young. cooney is an overrated boxer(when i say boxer i am saying fighter, i am not talking on styles) with glass chin and a good left hook clearly.and i know, baer killed just one man, but shavers did not kill nobody.