Max Baer vs Michael Moorer

Moorer was a much much better boxer and better puncher than schmeling or braddock, he might even stop baer mid to late rounds. I'll give baer a punchers chance in this one, moorer couldn't take a good punch well and big hitters can always score an upset but the grand majority of the time were gonna watch moorer toy with max.

 

You are entitled you your opinion, but it is way off the mark!

 

Care to justify this observation?

 

Tom Heeney was hot garbage. I would take Billy Wright over Heeney. I would take Cooper over Galento.

Head to head, I wouldn't say Schmeling was as good as Moorer. Too stiff. No wiggle in his hips.

 

Max Baer was 21 years old when he fought Heeney, and had turned professional 18 months ago.

He was also the first and only person to put Heeney down for the ten count.

Plausible I guess, though Cooper was not exactly consistent, and it was not because he fought in the 1930s!

This I think needs significant justification.

I think that very few would rank Moorer over Schmeling on an all time heavyweight list, or consider his run of form to be comparable.

 

To be fair, he did specify h2h, not in a ATG ranking way. .

 

Really? Baer could crack but I think you are underrating Tua's power. Old Foreman could still swat as well... he just had trouble catching guys clean toward the end of his career.

Baer stopped Schmeling and Carnera... neither man was known for their durability. He gets credit for killing a guy who went 2-2 (1) after facing Baer, Ernie Schaaf. Schaaf died after fighting Carnera. Baer did kill Frankie Campbell though. None of this means a guy is a big puncher, things like this happen in boxing sometimes. Baer was no doubt a big puncher though.

Baer was also beat by several smallish Heavyweights. He was outboxed by Tommy Loughran, Ernie Schaaf (first fight), Paulino Uzcudun, Jimmy Braddock, and others.

I think Moorer wins a decision.

 

Tua knocked out-

Multiple time WBA HW Champ John Ruiz in 19 seconds, WBC HW Champ Oleg Maskaev in the 11th round, Lineal HW Champ Hasim Rahman in the 10th round, and Lineal HW Champ Michael Moorer in 30 seconds just to name a few.

Tua also blocked punches from Lennox Lewis with his face for 12 rounds without getting hurt.

 

Some people around here seem to think those are basically one and the same.

 

Yes but wide gaps in resume, have to cast doubt, on the chances of the man on the losing end of that analysis.

That is not to say that he is picked against automatically, but there should certainly be doubts.

What damns Moorer here, is that he loses the resume argument, and also the stylistic argument.

 

3. There's one talked about in sparring in the Cinderella Man book.

 

Beating a name fighter means nothing in these discussions, unless you beat them while they are actually relevant.

If you beat them before they are world class, or when they are shot, then it is nothing more than interesting!

He took the silent contract.

He wouldn't try to win the fight, as long as Lewis didn't hurt him too much!

 

Tua's power is wildly overrated anyway