Max Baer vs. Oliver McCall

Baer's power would be the difference here. Not in a ko way, but for scoring purposes. His shots would be heavier and look better to the judges. Baer by decision.

 

A question to all those picking McCall by UD.

Would you pick Oliver McCall to beat George Foreman by UD for the same reasons and if not why not?

 

No, i wouldn't. Foreman probably stops McCall the way he stops Chuvalo: by battering him and the referee intervening. I don't see Baer doing this because he did not have the same combination punching and aggression.

 

Prime Baer by stoppage sometime during the fight or he at least wins by decision. Some people have the strangest thoughts on things; it still shocks me.

 

Another question that I will ask is whether McCalls jaw is as good as advertised.

While he was only TKOd against Lennox Lewis I get the idea that Lewis was holding back a bit because McCall was clearly not in a fit state to defend himself. Perhaps Lewis just did the minimum he had to to force the stoppage.

 

Then McCall may well win a decision or Foreman punches himself out. Or Foreman wins a decision, who knows? Foreman never really proved himself against a skilled boxer with a good chin; Ali and Young both humiliated him. Now, McCall is not THAT skilled so it may well be Foreman who wins a decision.

Which Baer was ever motivated, though? He pretty much let Carnera off the hook for 9 rounds or so. Or maybe better put: he could only land significantly in two of those eleven rounds.

Another 'lesser' boxer with an iron chin in Braddock beat him, too.

 

A valid question.

Baer was certainly motivated for the Schmeling fight and this might be the only fight where we see a prime motivated Baer.

He also became a lot more business first later in his career when past his prime (presumably no longer feeling that he had the luxury of being able to clown. The Pat Comiskey and Lou Nova fights show a focused but past prime Baer.

 

I see Foreman as the better fighter, simple.

 

I know we're supposed to imagine these guys AT THEIR BEST for these fantasy match-ups, but I dont see this pair putting on decent performances against each other.

As soon as they realize each other can take a huge shot I would imagine the punch output drops to a dismal level, and they waltz and posture to the final bell. Baer might clown a bit, foul a bit, occasionally land a haymaker. McCall would look for one big shot.
A crappy heavyweight match.

Both guys looked in great shape most of the time but were almost completely ineffective when they had to produce more than punching power to win big. Great physical strength, great physiques, awesome power, and fit to fight all night, but lacking brain or heart or something .... They just seemed to forget how to box.

 

Pretty fair summation lol

 

You could be more specific.

 

Its like the crying mccall, wasn't even defending himself and took some clean bombs of lennox and didnt even move, just started crying. Thats how you define a iron chin.

 

I got the idea that Lennox eased up on McCall a bit when he saw that he was unable to defend himself doing the minimum he had to to force a stopage.

This is verry much to his credit.

 

I think Baer would win , he was really good , and his punch is one of the most powerful