Max Baer vs. Oliver McCall

baer made up for his lack of boxing skills with punching skills. max schmeling had 10x the skills mccall had, and baer beat the **** out of max and entering the 10th round was slightly ahead on the cards against a master boxer like max

 

Studying the film I think Lewis held back a bit when it became obvious that McCall was in no fit state to be in the ring.

 

Really? Then why did it take him so long to put Schmeling away, considering Schmeling had a somewhat questionable chin. I have only seen a few rounds of this fight, but my understanding is that Baer was down on the cards by a few rounds in the 10th.

 

Nobody else did an better apart from you know who. Not at any meaningfull stage in his career.

 

I had the fight scored 4 rounds to 4 with 1 even entering the 10th. If i am not mistaken, baer was slightly ahead on the cards entering the 10th. The fact you only seen a few rounds of the fight shows you should probably keep your mouth shut about baer until you fully examine what a peak baer was capable of doing. This was by far baer's best fight, defensivly and boxing wise.



schmeling questionable chin? don't tell me your going by a couple knockout losses he suffered at age 19-20 years old are ya? ali was getting floored by the likes of sonny banks and alan hudson at that age

 

Yep, but Ali didn't get stopped in the first round several times even when he had 20+ pro fights. Different things.

Just take a look at the first 20/30 pro fights of fighters during his era, Baer, Sharkey, Carnera etc. None of them have as many LKO1's as Schmeling. The only logical conclusion is that he has a somewhat suspect chin behind brilliant boxing skills.

 

"Madcap Maxie" by KO........

 

Consider that Schmeling had only a dozen amateur bouts before he turned pro and that many iron chined fighters got knocked out in their amateur bouts.

Now consider that between the age of 21 and 40 something his only stopage losses were to Louis and Baer, both all time punchers both TKOs.

That suggests to me that either his chin got a lot better or his defense was off the scale. I am inclined towards the former.

 

What would be 10 good examples of the "many" iron chinned fighters who were knocked out as amateurs.

 

I will give you one obvious evample.

David Tua.

Iced in the first round by Felix Savon as an amateur but seen as undentable as a profesional.

 

I would have to agree with janitor. Its a well known fact that by the time you reach 21, you're bones become more mature and you physically stop growing as a person.

 

Chin is mainly a neurological thing. The more punches you take the more you become adapted to taking them, up to a point.

Jack Dempsey used to invite boxers to take a clean swing at his chin to toughen it up.

 

I always thought the strengh of your legs have something to do with your ability to take a punch. Qawi for example had thick concrete legs and he could take crazy punches. Bob foster and hearns on the other hand had skinny legs and their chins were weak.

 

Tua was fighting a highly experienced amatuer-veteran (he couldn't turn pro). Schmeling wasn't fighting someone like that the times he was knocked out; in fact he was a veteran and high talent compared to them.


I already compared his record to fighters of his stature who came up in the same time under the same circumstances and he comes off as the only one with first round knockout losses. The logical conclusion is to you.