Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by mark ant, Jul 30, 2021.
There`s no way Pat could have taken that amount of right hands from Wilder and remained upright.
How could you even guess that?
The only ranked contender that Wilder ever stopped, was Luis Ortiz.
I am not saying that he is not one of the hardest punchers of all time, but his credentials are wafer thin!
you literally see it at the start of the match and all over the match, do you know what head movement is ?
that punch at 449 is what you do with a right hand it travels looping down making the opponent duck and run into his lead hand rising up , so its duck into a hook or lift your head up into a right hand ! that right at 459 was not sloppy again he jabbed then used head movement(Yall love to ***** about) to get inside the lead arm of his opponent and land his right thats premium technique! have no idea what you mean at 502 ...dude max killed people in the ring with his right hand bombs how many people died from wilder ? When I say people dont know what they are looking at , its usually guys like you ! juding boxing my modern lens(high guard wasted footwork ) and punching form. The nuances you don't grasp!
Yes. I have used it. It's called effective head movement.
What is not head movement to you , is it because they are THROWING PUNCHES while slippin that you cant see that as head movement? I can see without any slowing down the footage there is head movement in that fight ,you cant? is this just your bias showing ?
Also there are more options than just head movement defend oneself 1 . Parrying catching punches 2. tying up after punches thrown 3.pivoting to new angles after punches thrown 4.hopping completely out of range
Position is superior to head movement which is reactive anyways when you should be controlling initiative and not reacting in the first place !
Their head movement was poor, there were very stiff and not slipping many punches ata all.
Both fighters were very predictable and easy to hit.
It was a wide sloppy right hand, he should have been trained to punch straight, that right hand was like the sloppy rigt hands Lewis was missing Bruno with.
see straight hands are harder to land back then because were not so square and did stand in front of their opponent on top of that they would land that looping right over the lead hand ,please stop you dont know what you are talking about !
Ray Charles you listened to this fight on the radio! Baers head movement was not poor (I did not watch pat )
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right at the beginning of the fight ,keep in mind Baer flick his rear hand like that is to PRE EMPTIVELY catch a jab and counter with his jab the minute he parries . Even when he came up from ducking he lifted the rear hand to anticipate a jab ,it was A LOT HIGHER DEFENSE and DEFENSIVE AWARENESS than your 70s favorite and ****ing deonte wilder.
Look, they were taught fundamentals back then, Louis was miles ahead of thee fights, look how straight Louis`s right hands were and ironically Schmeling`s v Louis.
Bear, Wilder both are basically unskilled bangers.