max baer vs ron lyle....

Max's stamina is the key here. This isn't a quick blowout. But at some point, Ron's going to spring stress leaks of fatigue (like Cosell observed through Lyle's heavy perspiration right before Ali stunned him), then Maxie would lower the boom in a later round than Ron could recover from.

 

Anyone want to tell me who Max Baer ever fought that was bigger, at least as strong and at least as hard hitting ? Lyle fought much bigger, stronger sluggers than Bar ever did .. that being said I have no clue n this one ...

 

Interesting.

Lyle turned pro at age 30. He had boxed in prison, losing only his debut. His amateur career lasted just 14 months but he compiled a record of 25-4 (17).

He was outboxed by Jerry Quarry in his first pro loss (his 20th fight) but Lyle had not yet peaked. Lyle had been a pro less than 2 years. Lyle had knocked out Vicente Rondon KO2, Buster Mathis KO2, and Larry Middleton KO3 but he was not prepared for a long tough fight vs. a good HW like Quarry.

After Quarry, Lyle won a decision over Gregorio Peralta W10 (he also drew with Peralta D10), knocked out Jose Luis Garcia KO3 and Juergen Blin KO2, beat Larry Middleton again W10, Oscar Bonavena W12, Jimmy Ellis W12, and knocked out Boone Kirkman KO8. Had Lyle fought Quarry after his win over Kirkman... I think Lyle wins.

Lyle was outboxed by jimmy Young x2. He gave Ali a lot of trouble but was stopped in the 11th. He gave Foreman hell and even dropped him before being stopped in the 5th.

He got off the canvas to stop Shavers in the 6th. He decisioned Joe Bugner and Scott LeDoux but was starting to slip.

Lyle vs. Baer? I'll take Lyle

 

People keep mentioning the Shavers and Foreman bout but the thing is Foreman at that point was absolutley confidence shot and always had problems with stamina as did Shavers who wasn't very durable.

Baer is very durable and has alot of stamina probably more than Shavers and Foreman's combined, he went 20 rounds more than once. I pick a prime motivated Baer to KO Lyle late probably after visiting the canvas himself.

 

I say Baer by KO7
Stamina and better chin with a huge right hand will beat Lyle in a major slug fest and ugly brawl.

 

The hardest slugger of heft on a punch for punch basis Max ever fought was probably Galento, whose thudding hooks failed to make an impression on the Larruper. (In fact, he clowned his way through some of them.)

However, he also had a member of his own family who was much bigger and very possibly a bigger puncher than Ron, brother Buddy. I'd imagine they had some remarkable sparring sessions. The Larruper retired the 6'4" Hank Hankinson in a single round. The year before, Hank himself abruptly ended the career of Godfrey via knockout in eight. He went on an inexplicably horrendous five quick kayo loss career ending slide after Godfrey, but did take the measure of Rosenbloom in back to back matches, beat Savold over ten, and upset the deadly Retzlaff in two for their first result. A very respectable contender in the HW ranks during 1934 and 1935, Hank could have been a highly suitable challenger for Maxie between Carnera and Braddock.

The physically strongest and most durable was probably Uzcudun.

Jeffries and Johnson are sometimes diminished because of the common size advantage they typically enjoyed. The Larruper wasn't always the bigger man, but ALWAYS the harder puncher in his bout.

 

Depends of which version of Lyle we ar talking about. Super-Ron of ESB would take it easy in 2-3 rounds. The real Ron Lyle however loses in about 7-8 to a man who had a bit more power, a better chin, more stamina and was even more skilled.

 

I'm a big Baer fan and although his skills do get underrated he was not as skilled as Ron Lyle. However, i doubt Ron would even implement those skills like against Foreman in this type of fight he'd probably just slug and like you said Baer being more durable, better stamina and bigger punch would take it.

 

i'll have lyle

 

People keeping mention Lyles size advantage but Baer was a much bigger much more impressive physical specimen than Lyle?? Baer was huge - Curtis hatchet man Sheppard describes KOing Baer would be like chopping tree - I have a Liston fight on film where before introductions one of the guests into the ring is Old Maxie Baer and physically he was even broader (and taller) than Liston - the guy was immense - he was also quicker in reflexes and general reacting with killer shots than say George Foreman but also carried that deadman power - plus Baer was a World Champion?? As some have mentioned he also proved to have great stamina and we know he had an iron chin - Lyle is a tough guy but Max Baer would eventually get nasty when necessary probably within 7 or 8 rounds - I think Lyle was a little bit limited tho a tough rugged guy

 

A serious Baer stops Lyle in 9 or less.

 

That's true.
The Baer brothers were huge. Max was easily as big or bigger than Ron Lyle. Broader, and with a greater reach surely.

 

Lyle had more experience vs. big, strong, and hard punching HWs. In the best fight of his career Baer stopped Schmeling in the 10th round... Schmeling was much smaller and less durable than Lyle. Baer also stopped limited fighters in Galento (who was a hard hitting but sloppy fighter at 5'9" and a very fat 244 1/2 Lbs) and even Primo Carnera (who was a huge man but slow and not a huge puncher).

Size? Lyle was a little taller (1/2") but Baer had a slightly longer reach (about 3")... but it's not like Baer was some kind of jab master who made good use of his long reach. Weight? Lyle had a solid 10 Lbs. on Baer. Baer's best weight was 205-210 Lbs and Lyle's best weight was 215-220 Lbs.

Baer was outboxed by small HWs like Ernie Schaaf (203 Lbs 1st fight, 209 1/2 Lbs 2nd fight... Baer won the rematch by MD and seriously injured Schaaf... Schaaf actually outweighed Baer in both fights), Tommy Loughran (183 Lbs), Johnny Risko (195 Lbs), Paulino Uzcudun (195 Lbs, L20), and Jimmy Braddock (194 Lbs) among others. He was destroyed in under 4 rounds by Joe Louis but I won't even hold that against him.

He beat small HWs like King Levinsky x2 (W20 and KO2) and Tuffy Griffiths (KO7) among others.

I feel like Baer might be getting overrated. I know the size of the man gets increased every year. I've seen his height at 6'4", his reach at 84", and his weight at 220 Lbs... why do this?

It's a good match up but fighting over who was bigger won't tell you who would have won.

 

If anyone than Lyle is overrated. By a lot.

 

Well, as of late Lyle has been overrated... but it was a long time coming. I still say he became a much better fighter than Quarry ever was... but people love to mention Quarry's win over a green Lyle.

Young, Lyle, Quarry, Shavers IMO.