Max Baer vs Ron Lyle

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  1. mr. magoo

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    The only one that I really agree with here is Baer-Wepner. The rest of them, I can't really pick outcomes to, as you said many of them is a pick em' fight. I do however feel that someone like Shavers would certainly make a presence in an earlier era due to his tremendous power being a factor on smaller men. Of course his chin and linited skill would make him vulnerable to anyone who can capitalize on any opportunity that he leaves himself open to. Jimmy Ellis had the boxing ability and stamina to give nearly any fighter in the 30's trouble as did Jerry Quarry.
     
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    But dosnt the picture emerge that the 70s is not so much a deeper era across the board but just an era with a handfull of exceptional fighters who were not prevented from each other.

    Now if we stray into the second half of the 70s then the late 30s crew would win hands down.
     
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    Magoo hit the nail on the head. Regardless of how many ranked fighters Max fought, they were'nt better than George's opposition. Max was a big fish in a relatively smaller pond in the 30's where a man of Baer's size was rare. By todays standards he would be an ordinary sized HW. If you could transport men like Foreman, Ali, Holmes, Holyfield, Lewis, Klitschko, Frazier and Holyfield back to the 30's, they would absolutely rule the division like a fat tailed scorpion in a nest of catepillars. The other "Heavyweights" would drop 5 or 6 lbs and hide in the lightheavyweight division where they belonged. Magoo is also right in regards to Foremans chin. He was stopped only once in his entire career by perhaps the greatest HW of all time and took many powerful shots from men like Frazier, Lyle, Ali(who was underrated as a puncher), Holyfield and Moorer, men who could punch AND box and were all 200lbs plus. When Max finally met a 200lber who could punch and box in Joe Louis what happened...He got his clock cleaned. Max actually quit and admitted as much after the fight. George never quit even when he was being tatooed with hundreds of power shots from men like Holyfield and Moorer when he was in his forties for chrissakes! Debate over as far as I'm concerned.
     
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    Get out of here ****ing troll
     
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    It is like i see it
     
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    Foreman never fought a puncher like Louis.
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  12. mr. magoo

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    Thanks. I clicked on this thread hoping to get involved in the discussion and then realized I already did nine years ago !!!
     
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    Pretty ill informed post.

    Seek boxrec.

    Many of Baer's signature wins came against men of similar size or bigger.
     
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    Time flies eh?
     
  15. mr. magoo

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    Oh does it ever.... and it would be nice if we could see some of the avatars that people had when constructing this thread back in '07