Max Bear vs Jersey Joe Walcott

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  1. cotto20

    cotto20 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Prime For Prime Who Takes This 15 Rounds HW Bout

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  2. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Walcott UD, and a wide 1 too
     
  3. Manassa

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    Baer. Baer!

    But anyway, Walcott would trounce him surprisingly easily. Make him look like a right amateur; slips, slides, potshots. It would look like a more one-sided Walcott-Marciano, and without the surprise knockout. Decision win at about 12-3.
     
  4. Ted Spoon

    Ted Spoon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Jeez. Walcott could find the solution to any technician, devilishly alternating his angles to weave his way to your jaw. Baer though? B. Leonard's famous quote springs to mind that claimed "the most dangerous opponent is the most stupid as he does not even know when he is being feinted."

    It's almost a question of whether Baer would be dumb enough to lamp Jersey Joe. In all seriousness, 'Madcap Maxie' would likely call it a day after two rounds and happily follow his slip sliddin' opponent around the ring for a lop-sided points loss.
     
  5. robert ungurean

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  7. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree with the posts here. Walcott would befuddle Baer something awful. But you can't count Baer out altogether, not with that sort of power.
    I suppose it also depends on what frame of mind Baer is in beforehand.
     
  8. McGrain

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    Baer isn't going to be beffudled, he's going to do what he always did which is attack with some of the heaviest blows in the divisions history.

    20 rounds. What do you boys feel about a distance like this? Walcott just doesn't get hit? Or Walcott ships a Baer right hand and survives?

    Baer hits Walcott, Walcott goes.
     
  9. OLD FOGEY

    OLD FOGEY Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ted Spoon might be onto something in his assessment that Baer is so crude he might not fall for a feint and slip over the big one. He does have a puncher's chance.

    Still, I have to go big for Walcott. Baer was easy to outbox.
     
  10. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    BTW, these two were in the movie "The Harder They Fall", Bogart's last movie in '56, and when watching it, I always think of what would had happened if the two were matched..and I have to conclude that it would have been an "either/or" type of situation...either Walcott would have thoroughly befuddled and outtricked a frustrated, discouraged Baer all night, or else the same, only with Baer breaking through with a right hand bomb, and it's "goodnight Jersey Joe". So I'll just leave it at that.
     
  11. janitor

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    I think that Walcott would probably take it for the same reasons as everybody else but I do not dismiss BAer's chances if he turns up with his head screwed on.

    I would not completely dismiss the possibility that Baer could win by decision under the rules of that era.

    Yes I am serious.

    Baer could aply pressure when he wanted to and in this era an agresive slugger who pushed the fight could get the not over a slickster who ran from him in circumstances where he would loose decisively today.
     
  12. McGrain

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    Negative Janitor. Based upon what? Loughran, Risko, Kennedy were all given the nod.
     
  13. mcvey

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    You are probably correct ,but, if he could land that overhand right?
     
  14. Mendoza

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    Agreed. Walcott UD.
     
  15. janitor

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    I think Baer still had the L plates on against Loughran and Risko.

    That aside Baer was even on the score cards against Schmeling going into the fatefull knockout round.

    I also note that Rex Layne was able to edge Walcott on the score cards by impressing the judges with his agression.

    Perhaps judges of that era were more hostile towards Walcotts brand of mobile defence than that of fighters like Loughran and Risko.

    This is a sport where the unexpected happens and I am trying to alow for it.