Max Kellerman: "I have yet to see a fight in which i thought marquez was beaten"

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I think Max Kellerman has a very good point, and this video isn't designed to discredit Pacquiao, but it can't and shouldn't be ignored that the decisions were debatable. And not only the Pacquiao decisions, but the Norwood and John fights. Watch it and discuss.

 

I would appreciate it if you gave some input worth listening too. Neither I or Max have said anything about Marquez being P4P number one, but along with Shane Mosley, Max Kellerman, Jim Lampley, Lennox Lewis, and even Pacquiao's biggest fan, Larry Merchant, I thought Marquez won the rematch. In any event, it is somewhat worrying that when people remember Marquez in 10-20 years time, they will dismiss Marquez as an average fighter with the losses he has on paper.

I don't think Marquez hitting the canvas justifies the many losses he now has on his record. If we went by that logic, they should invent a rule in Boxing whereby if one fighter hits the canvas, he losses the fight.

 

I think you are missing the point, and from what I've read from you so far, it could well be a habit of yours.

I know how the 10 point score system works, and I acknowledge that a 10-8 could severely change the tide of a fight. However, when somebody reiterates that "If Marquez wants to win fights he should stay on his feet", I remind them that "If Pacquiao wants to win fights legitimately, he should stop being vunerable to right hands". A fight isn't determined by one round, otherwise like I said, why don't we just say if a fighter hits the canvas, the fight is over. No, instead, fights are 12 rounds, and most people are in agreement that in the second and first fight of Manny Pacquiao's and Marquez's showdowns, Marquez outboxed his opponent for the majority of those 12 rounds.

If you believe Manny to have won, that is fine by me, but don't bring up those sarcastic comments about Marquez not staying on his feet.

 

There is an answer to that too.

If you don't wish to discuss the debate, do not enter the thread. You have no obligation to be here, this isn't middle school.

 

I am of the opinion that Marquez won that fight so it would be contradictory for me to say Pacquiao was robbed.

Likewise, it's like people give Pacquiao the win based purely on the fact that he was the one scoring knockdowns. Like the psychopath guy stated earlier, there a 10 point system in Boxing and it's there for a reason.

Pacquiao won the first fight in some peoples eyes, whereas in some it was a Marquez victory. I feel if Boxing people want to discuss the decisions amongst themselves, that is quite justified.

 

Likewise, the scoring reflected a Pacquaio victory in his rematch with Marquez, however many ringside observors disagreed.

The reason they disagreed is because they kept their own scorecards knowing fully well that history would suggest that official scorecards are known to be debatable.

I keep my own scorecards for that very reason.