Max Kellerman: "I have yet to see a fight in which i thought marquez was beaten"

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  1. yodaddyboxing

    yodaddyboxing Well-Known Member Full Member

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    no, Marquez lost the first fight to Pac ..there was an admitted scoring error. I like Marquez too but he actualy lost and was dropped three times in one round. he came back and boxed great but rules are rules and he lost that fight.
     
  2. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Officially, the fight was draw, but unofficially, according to me, Juan Manuel Marquez won. That's just the same as you unofficially considering that fight a victory for Manny Pacquiao - doesn't make either of us right, but nor does it make either of us wrong.

    I have already told you, I sat down and scored both fights and had Juan Manuel winning both. That is why "I" consider Juan Manuel to be superior to Pacquiao, however, he can't be justified as greater than Morales or Barrera.

    I would hope you don't say I'm wrong again, but it is my objective opinion, and there is clearly as case for making Marquez a victor in both fights, with each of the contests being razor thin.
     
  3. enzo

    enzo Greatest Of All Time Full Member

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    He is probably the most skilled boxer... but certainly not the greatest fighter in this era.

    JMM as good as he is, he will always be remembered as a counter puncher and unfortunately will be rank behind Marco and Erik for majority of the fans... He may have all the skill but he doesn't have that warrior mentality of a barrera or morales, or the physical attributes that pac has.
     
  4. RingKing

    RingKing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Just because you are knocked down in a fight doesn't mean you lose the fight. It could have been worse, he could have pulled a Cotto and QUIT.
     
  5. puga_ni_nana

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    hamed, though hated much in esb, imo is a great featherweight of this era. he might not have fought morales and marquez and have lost to barrera but he have some very good wins over medina, sotto, kelley, etc. which is equivalent to marquez' resume before he fought pac. if not for pacquiao, marquez' resume would look like just that of hamed.
     
  6. enzo

    enzo Greatest Of All Time Full Member

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    He's been KD 3x in the first fight... he should have learned his lesson. If not for the KD he would have won in the judges scorecards.
     
  7. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I think the only factor for Juan Manuel Marquez not going down as the greatest featherweight of this era is due to him being unlucky on the scorecards. In every fight he has lost, except for the DQ, he could have been given the decision and nobody would have been shouting robbery. I think we are all in agreement with that.

    I think Juan Manuel Marquez showed a warrior inside of him when he came back from those knockdowns against Pacquiao. Many other fights would have crumbled at that point, and probably never would have gotten up, but Juan did and that is to his credit.

    Juan Manuel doesn't have Manny's physical attributes but more importantly, he doesn't have his marketability.
     
  8. yodaddyboxing

    yodaddyboxing Well-Known Member Full Member

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    there was an admitted scoring error. Pac won the fight. It makes me right IMO and you worng. No judges admited that they scored it worng and Marquez actually won, they said the opposite actually.

    SEE my point.. had the judage not admitted the error. I wouldnt be saying pac won I would just say it was a draw.
     
  9. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    And had Manny not been vunerable to the right hand, and took that battering the 8th round, the fight would not have been close.

    It works both ways.
     
  10. puga_ni_nana

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    kellerman must be a die-hard jmm fan if he thinks that marquez should be over barrera, over morales and over pacquiao as the greatest featherweight of this era. and he even said that morales ducked marquez.
     
  11. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I don't see your point, no.

    Officially!
    the fight was scored a draw, and that is why when you go on Boxrec, it will clearly show that no winner was determined. Regardless of the so-called scoring error, both fighters now have a draw of their records, and that cannot be disputed in anyway shape or form. If anything, justice was done by that scoring error, however that statement can be disputed because it's my personal opinion. The draw each fighter has on their record is not an opinion, it is factual.





     
  12. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Or he could be using his objective opinion.

    Look, if he honestly thought Marquez won all of his losses, then he has every fight to consider Juan Manuel Marquez the best featherweight of his era. No biased has to be involved, he just truely believes he didn't lose any of those fights. I disagree with him, but it is still a credible opinion from Max who clearly knows the sport of Boxing.

    I think he meant that Morales management wanted no part of Marquez, he knows full well Morales wouldn't personally duck anybody just as Duran and Margarito wouldn't.
     
  13. yodaddyboxing

    yodaddyboxing Well-Known Member Full Member

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    excuse me. was there ana dmitted scoring error? yes or no? and had that error not been made. who would have gotten the W? just answer that. IMO becuase of that scoring error that was ADMITTED and acknowledged,Pac won....

    please asnswer the questions.
     
  14. yodaddyboxing

    yodaddyboxing Well-Known Member Full Member

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    my opinion holds more water because of the scoring error.
     
  15. yodaddyboxing

    yodaddyboxing Well-Known Member Full Member

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    oh you see my point. you are just too biased to acknowledge it.

    my opinion holds more water because of the scoring error.