Max Kellerman: "I have yet to see a fight in which i thought marquez was beaten"

yea, pac won the first one.

i gave jmm the second one, though, by 1 point or something.

so he's ahead p4p for me. i wonder why it's such a big deal to some.

 

Then Chris John is greater than Marquez too...

 

Bro... we all know that stylistically pac is tailor made for JMM. His style and aggressiveness is perfect for a great counter puncher like Juan. I tell you what, if not for pac's physical attributes (speed/power) he would have lost both fights clearly. A lesser fighter with pac's style against JMM will be KOed.

That's what makes pac great coz despite of the disadvantages he still finds a way to win or make it competitive.

 

So what if he was knocked down three times in his first fight with PacMan? In that case, PacMan should have learned how to put away a fighter that he has knocked down three times! Talk about choking on the elite level. To top it off, in the second fight Marquez was going in as the underdog. This was all due to PacMan being "better" than when he first fought Marquez. PacMan supposedly had developed into this elite fighter that now had a right hand and a new pair of socks. What did this all prove in their second fight? That PacMan is STILL the same technically flawed fighter that Marquez took advantage of in their first fight. PacMan couldn't dodge a right hand if he tried.

Bottom line is, boxing isn't won on a knockdown, unless it is a knockdown that the other fighter can't get up from. Some people see it as a PacMan victory. I see it as JMM being 2-0 against PacMan. PacMan, however, was fortunate enough to get the nod from the official judges scorecards.

 

the judges made a scoring error in the first round of the first fight, Pac won the fight.. why dont you know this?

 

atsch

JMM should be praise for the valiant effort and heart he showed in order for him to survive that fight without getting KOed instead of bashing pac's ability to finish him of... Again let me remind you, there was a scoring error pac should have won. :deal



Pac indeed improved in the rematch but so did JMM... Yep and instead of being knock down 3x he just kissed the canvass once this time. :deal

 

i don't know about it. clearly he has an agenda to boost jmm as the best featherweight of this era. first is scoring both pac fights for jmm. second is not mentioning that he had a close fight with barrera who is past his prime and into many wars already. third, saying that morales and hamed ducked marquez to validate that jmm is ahead of them. the way he presented it was way too biased for marquez.

to me, the greatest featherweight of this era is just between barrera and pacquiao. barrera fought all of them (hamed, morales, pacquiao and marquez) while pacquiao also fought all of them except hamed (just because of hamed's early retirement) and end up with a 5-1-1 record. some would say that pac is just lucky to came up when barrera and marquez was already 29 but just keep in mind that they were the featherweight's topdogs when pac fought them one after another after another (barrera-marquez-morales).

 

1)SINCE when was "fortune" be the attributes of the being #1 p4p atsch

2)So what if JMM is ko'd 3x's or total of 4x's in their two bouts?! So you are not satisfied with that? YOU want 5x's before you could say yeah!

3)JMM ass hitting the canvass is a TRADITION when fighting pac and you call him he is # 1 in his weight category?!

4)you can't even compare his achievements to Morales,Mab and PAC and you call him the greatest in his class?!

5)Like I said MANY TIMES, take out the win over MAB and what does the so called greatest in his class in his RESUME'?!

Yes, head to head he may have won over MAB but MAB's resume is way above that of JMM.

 

Like I said JMM hitting the canvass agianst PAC is a TRADITION. JMM making PAC hit the canvass is A DREAM!!!!!!!!!

PASTE IT! POST IT! LIVE WITH IT SELFKILL!!!

 

SOME PEOPLE ARE EITHER BLIND OR TWISTING THE TRUTH!

You claim that PAC is fortunate right? Who benefited from the judges error PAC or JMM?! JMM right? If not for the judges error who should have won? PAC correct?!

and you claim PAC was fortunate?! atsch :nut atsch :nut atsch


Oh! YOu are right! Pac is fortunate enough to not fight Chris John for STAGGERING 30k!!! :rofl

 

i thought jmm took both pac fights

 

I think JMM will be viewed 20 years from now as a great counter puncher who fought pacman in two (so far) close and exciting fights. Unfortunately, if they will look at his resume, it will hurt his standing in the eyes of future boxing fans. He fought a lot of class B and C fighters and it is only now, at the end of his career, that he is fighting opponents that can help improve his legacy as a great fighter. Will have to see how he ends his career.

 

The debate never ends.:tired Both fighters are so evenly matched, with JMM being a little more skilled but with the weaker chin and Pac having more power. I admittedly am a "*******" but an objectionable one though and scored both of their fights even. Of coarse the most logical way to settle the debate is if both fighter agree to just meet in the ring again and hopefully one will emerge with a clear and clean victory.