Max Kellerman: Manny Pacquiao Is Possibly The GOAT (!!!)

Max also said that Giannis Antetounmpo would replace Michael Jordan if he develop a 3pt shot soooooooo....

 

Kellerman is an idiot every time i hear him on first take hes claiming someone or something is the best ever ,the other day on one instance he says Brady is the greatest ever then right after he says that Rogers is the best ever its a very weird thing cause he says **** like that on a regular basis if you doubt me watch just one segment of first take and i doubt he wont call someone the best ever.

 

I could question one or two points, but it wouldn't matter considering my rebuttal was against Max & considered opinion/perspective.
Yes some have been KO'd, you just backed it up with facts (holy, Lennox...however I based my refsual to call him the GOAT on getting KO'd in rookie-prime & post. Few have done that and were called top 10, let alone GOAT.
Hope U don't take me as a Pac-hater. Love what he did for boxing. Its that I am not in the GOAT camp 4 Pac.

 

To be fair, he is defo top 5. I have no problems him being ranked above Mayweather.

 

He needs more than a tray to be better than MJ. He needs a post up fadeway with a shake.

 

Consider that Pac was KOd when he was a noob and KOd on his 10th weight division.

He wasn’t getting KO’d when he faced murderers row at FW in MAB, JMM, Morales. Which further proves how much of a disadvantage Pac is at WW. His power is largely diminished, he’s not stopping any ATG chins and his chin can be cracked, meanwhile no ATG was cracking his chin at FW and Morales and JMM were no light punchers.

It’s almost as bad as saying duran can’t be an ATG because he was ktfo by Hearns. Arguably closer to his prime than Pac was against JMM 4.

Sure Hearns was a huge puncher but JMM landed the perfect counter on all kinds of roids. That’s not to disparage JMMs win, I just see that almost as fact. Hired and conceals identity of a ped distributor, turns up all muscle bound getting acne all over his back at age 36 and lands the perfect counter.

I’m not even arguing Pac wasn’t on roids, but just putting into context how an ATG can be ktfo by another ATG with all kinds of peds and a perfect counter.

 

I hear, you.

Again He is an ATG IMO. Not the GOAT.
Taking into context not just that he got KO'd as rookie, prime, post, he also got outboxed in his prime-repeating myself.
Again, guys like Hearns from WW to Cruiser winning titles doesn't make him GOAT , rather like Pac he fought in division according to his weight gain.
Taking into account that I have to compare Pac to ALL eras not just Floyd's. How do I call the GOAT a fighter who tried to unify and lost each time?
I'd have to be a fan of Pac as opposed to a fan of boxing in order to do that.
I'm a fan of boxing, first.

As far as roids, I've stayed away due to technically speaking..he hasn't popped a test. Maybe popped acne on him? or JMM? LOL!
You make good points, some we agree, some, we duke it out with words, not fists!

 

Could Manny have accomplished what te accomplished without PEDs?

I agree JMM was probably on ROIDs when his perfect counter sent Manny into lullaby land.

It was his boxing ability though that allowed him to see the opening and take advantage of it.

So yes, JMM looked to be on ROIDs in that bout. But so did Manny at certain parts of his career. The demands for testing due to suspected PEDs usage was often cited as an impediment to making the Mayweather fight sooner.

What's Mannys career look like without the PEDs? Is he knocking out as many guys and is he successfully moving up in weight as much as he has??

I think probably not.

The same I think could be said for Canelo though that book is still being written.

Unfortunately, PED use was part of Mannys era.

I take this into consideration when comparing him to greats of other eras.

 

These are not "claims" that I am making, these are revelations from Manny himself. Señor Google will be your best friend.