Max Kellerman's recent comments on Sweet Pea, RJJ, and PBF

I'm not the biggest Roy fan myself though.. but I do see one of the most if not the most physically gifted boxers ever filmed. That is quite a statement that can go back many many more years than the time frame listed in the OP. To me, that speaks volumes about his talent and thus p4p greatness. I agree that he could've fought some guys he missed out on intentionally, but let's not also act like his resume is unbelieveably **** poor. It really isn't. Sure, it's not great but not as weak as you're making it out ot be. I respect your thoughts Klom.. I just happen to think Roy Jones talent wise.. is one fo the best fighters I'ver ever seen.. whether or not that translates to being the #1 p4p guy in the world at a certain is another thing.. but there can be no doubt about the skills and talent.

 

Lots of guys can look superhuman when they are fighting garbage men thats promotion 101. Why do you think people match prospects with guys that will make them look good? The problem is that Jones essentially spent the VAST majority of his career fighting the same level of opposition that you would LONG before you ever become a contender. Thats pathetic and why its ridiculous to pretend he a great fighter.

 

Regardless if you think his resume is that of a great fighter.. can you honestly stay Compton... that you wouldn't call him an all time talent with some of the best athletic ability and potential you've ever seen? I'm guessing you don't think much of James.. Mike M... Hopkins and V. Hill? Those aren't bad names at all don't ya think?

 

:good Yep, I agree. Just expanding on what he said and giving useful info.

 

Yes I can honestly say I wouldnt call Jones the most athletically talented fighter Ive ever seen. For two reasons, 1. As I stated before, its easy to look superhuman when you are fighting bums. That tells me nothing of how athletic Jones is. Put the fastest guy in a mid level high school track team against a guy who runs every once in a while and hes going to look like Jesse Owens, doesnt mean hes as good as Jesse Owens. 2. Jones took steroids. I know some dont want to believe it but thats a fact. So to compare a steroid user's supposed physical ability with every fighter in history who wasnt taking roids is ridiculous.

As for the names you mention I give Jones full credit for beating Toney. BUT, Toney was a guy who could be beaten by fighters who supposedly werent as good as Jones (Thadzi, Tiberi, Montell, McCallum, and Johnson). Jones and his fans hate to hear it but Hopkins wasnt near his prime, had less experience, and was fighting his first legit contender in Jones when they fought for a vacant title. Even then the fight was competetive (which, again, Jones and his fans hate to hear). Beating a guy who hasnt accomplished anything yet is a far cry from beating a guy who has 20 title defenses and has cleaned out his division from top to bottom. Jones spent nearly a decade pretending that he gets credit for everything Hopkins did AFTER he fought Jones. It doesnt work like that. This is also why 60/40 was a joke. Jones was an attrocious attraction for HBO (probably one of their worst contract decisions) his habit of picking and choosing weak opposition, foisting his boyfriend Smoke Gainer on us (something I will never forgive him for), and hiding behind his contract while avoiding legitimate threats prompted Larry Merchant to remark "Its not what youve done for me, but what have you done lately?" When Jones was demanding a 60/40 split and making an ass of himself on live television he hadnt done jack **** in years while Hopkins had made history. Neither were big draws either at the box office or on tv or PPV but Hopkins was the biggest threat Jones could have faced who posed a legitimate risk that he could have made that kind of money with. It was a natural promotion with a back story and bad blood and Jones sunk it. Period, just like he did several other deals that were discussed from Dariusz to Jirov and on (and no Dariusz should not have been forced to come to the USA. He was the standing, unified champion BEFORE Jones ever won a paper title in the division he gets to dictate). Mike McCallum was a joke at that point in his career. He was visibly fat with a little belly. He was in his 15th year as a pro, his second to last fight, and was 40 years old. Again, to suggest that beating THAT version of McCallum was akin to beating the 1984 version, or 1986, or 88, 0r even 1991 version is ludicrous. Virgil Hill was garbage in my opinion. Aside from that fact, if you think he was anything other than a paper titlist you have to accept the fact that when he fought Jones he was coming off a year long layoff and a one sided beating at the hands of... you guessed it: Darius. Suddenly Jones comes into the division, picks up Darius' leftovers and acts like he is THE MAN. He wasnt he simply had a bigger network contract. If all you care about is bling (which is the fan base that Jones and Mayweather appeal to) then there you have it. All flash and no substance.

 

60-40...:deal

 

Do you think Dariusz would have beaten RJJ and/or that he had a more impressive resume'?

 

Do you think its impossible that Darius could beat Jones? It doesnt matter what we "think" all that matters is what happens in the ring and as far as Jones is concerned that was incredibly underwhelming for such a supposedly "dominant" fighter. As for their resume's I dont think Darius' resume at LHW while they were both contemporaries (which is all that matters when comparing the two) is any worse than Jones. It was a weak era for LHWs all around (one of the reasons why Jones headed there when the 168 pound division was as hot as its ever been) and people can argue until they are blue in the face about who ducked who but the difference is that Jones track record for avoiding dangerous matches is well established whereas Darius actively sought matches in Europe against fighters that Jones was avoiding. The knock on him was that he wanted those matches in Germany. Given German judging thats a legitimate knock to a degree but as champion (which Darius was, whether ethnocentric americans want to believe it or not) Darius has the right to call at least some of the shots. If Jones was so sure that he could dominate and destroy Darius (As he bragged more than once before finally trying to make sure nobody mentioned Darius in his presence... laughable) then he should have gone over there and done it. Enticing deals were made for him to and he simply refused saying he would never travel because of what happened to him in the Olympics. Funny how that changed when his purses, contracts, and paper championships dried up and he had nothing to lose except brain cells. Since his fall from grace hes had four fights out of the Unites States, one of which was in Darius' home country of Poland and Jones won a controversial decision over the hometown boy. So much for being worried about biased officiating... We dont even need to get into how he acquired all of those paper titles and the B.S. that went on behind the scenes with the WBA, WBC, and IBF to ensure that those titles were available for him to fight for when they actually belonged to other fighters. Jones wouldnt have been able to walk into the ring under that pile of belts had the WBA and IBF not ridiculously stripped Darius and the WBC not refused to recognise Rocchiggiani despite their own mandate that he was the legitimate champion. Had the sanctioning bodies not sold their title to HBO Jones would have never been a LHW champion and Darius would have unified all four belts in 2000. Which just goes to show how pointless the sanctioning bodies are.

 

Klompton, for Christ's sake break down your post into paragraphs no one is going to read your wall of text.

 

I cant help it. My mind throws up all over the page when I see Jones and greatness used in the same context.

 

Did Roy duck Michael Nunn?

 

I don't think it's impossible; however, I do think it's improbable. Just wondering what you thought.

 

Tho I wanted to see the fight myself, pretty much every single fighter to whom this match-up was mentioned agreed Jones would dominate... Mateen, Scully, Toney... these guys come to mind. That does not give Jones a win, though. Nor does it help his legacy.

All Daruiz had over Jones was that powerjab. If Jones got beyond that... and I think he would, it would be a sealed deal.

Back to your ranting.

 

A friend of mine was brought over to spar with Darius and said he had an excellent chance and the style to upset Jones, which was a task at the time but felt the pressure and power jab would put Jones in a place that he never was.

Floyd is a great fighter and has beaten many styles but has not fought a Duran, a Leonard a Hearns or even a Benitez never mind a SRR but that is not his fault...I would still like to see him fight PAC and although I favor Floyd I think PAC with his speed & power may have a shot of causing sparks

Sweat Pea was an excellent fighter of the Hector Camacho mold but not my favorite guy to watch but he could hide in the ring at times

Kellerman is a typical jock strap sniffer & that is the difference between him a guy like Larry Merchant

 

That's the thing though C... We CAN see those same fighters you're calling bums (and some rightfully so) against other people and NOT look like superman. That's the key factor you're not taking into account here. If one guy looks like superman against fighter b.. and fighters c..d..e..f..g.. look like only batman against b... well then that is a good measure of fighter a.. that is exactly what we see with Jones. He looked way better than anybody else did against those same guys. Further, he also looked like supeman against a world class foe in toney and the other guys I named. So really, he looked like superman against all he faced.. even the best of the best he faced. So to say he wasn't one of the most athletically gifted athletes you seen in the ring, is well, a little bit too harsh on your part.

Obviously you don't liike Jones.. clearly.. but even people that don't like him will readily admit he was at the top or near the top in athletic ability they've ever seen. They will say he didn't fight him.. resume was this.. steroids... etc etc... but to even deny how superb an athlete he was C.. kinda makes me think you got your hate blinders on in the day time my friend.