Max Schmeling is overrated and/or his resume is dependent on the Louis win

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  1. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'll never understand the argument "If you take away their best wins."

    Why would we take away their best wins?

    Did Schmeling not deserve his win over Joe Louis? Did he not spend the better part of an hour boxing brilliantly?

    Same with Joe Frazier. Did you see Joe Frazier's win over Ali? Why on earth should we take it away? He was fighting like few men have ever fought over 15 rounds.

    They weren't fluke wins. Their opponents weren't damaged goods or injured. They didn't land a punch with their eyes closed in the closing seconds of a fight they were losing.

    Their wins over those guys where examples of Schmeling and Frazier fighting at their very best. Why take their very best performances away from them in order to badmouth them?

    It serves no purpose.
     
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  2. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He should not be consensus top 3. I think he should be rated lower top 10. Its the deepest HW era. By a lot. As evidenced by the sheer volume of names mentioned in my post.
     
  3. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I think lower part of the top 10 is cutting him short. He was one of six linear champions of the 1930’s. Beat four hall of famers, a few contenders and holds the single best win of the decade. Also some of the contenders you say he missed out on didn’t emerge as players until either the very end of the decade or going into the 40’s. Schmeling’s career was basically done by then and boxing was going into a new era. If we’re only talking 1930’s. Then I struggle to find more than 2-3 guys who MIGHT rank above him
     
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  4. Steve Fero

    Steve Fero Active Member Full Member

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    After the easy Baer and Carnera destructions Louis got over confident. Probably thought if Baer was that easy and he beat Schmeling it was going to be another easy one and he didn’t prepare properly. Scmelimg a good pro studied film and saw that Louis dropped his left low after jabbing and prepared to fire rights over the left. He earned it but really wasn’t in Louis’ league.
     
  5. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If theres 5 guys better its not cutting him short. Top 10 is not a level of respect it is a ranking.

    For me the 5 are John Henry Lewis, Braddock, Loughran, Max Baer and Farr. With Carnera being 6.

    I listed all the guys he could have fought including late 20s and early 40s guys too. Most Louis 40s opponents had most of their career in the 30s even if they got their title shot in the 40s.
     
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