Max Schmeling TKO 8 Mickey Walker

"he had no jab"

I have disagree with this, having just watched Schmeling against Uzcudun in 1929 and against Stribling. He had a jab, and used it quite often and scored with it.

He didn't use the left hook much, and only went to the body rarely. He did not work the body.

His strong suits were smarts, that great right hand, and wonderful stamina.

 

You could not be more wrong here. He used the hook extensively, and mainly to the body. He used his right hand to distract his opponent, from what he was doing with his left, and it was often the left that closed the deal.

 

He had a great jab. Thats how he beat Sharkey despite getting robbed.

 

Yeah, his jab was a heavy and accurate weapon against Sharkey.
He was working his long left hook a lot in that one too.

 

Larry Holmes, Joe Louis, Muhammad Ali had great jabs. Max Schmeling did not have a great jab .. nor a great left hook .. nor was he a great fighter. Great fighters do not get destroyed by Max Baer. He was a very smart, well conditioned technician with a strong right hand for a cruiserweight.

 

You said "he had no jab. he had no hook" ... actually he had a good jab and a good hook, at the very least.

Now, you're saying "Joe Louis and Larry Holmes" had better jabs.

 

"Max Schmeling did not have a great jab"

But he had a decent one.

Do great fighters lose to Ken Norton?

Yes, they can.

What kind of fighter destroys a young Joe Louis?

 

Schmeling had a great jab. Was it a long rapier like Holmes? No. Was it a flicking cobra like Ali's? No. It wasnt that thudding missile of Louis' either. You dont have to be those things to have a great jab. Schmeling knew how to use his jab despite not having the power of Louis, natural speed of Ali, or size of Holmes. He used timing, which is more important IMO because its something thats learned not a natural gift you exploit. Schmeling was accurate with his jab, could time it, counter with it, set up punches with it, use it offensively and defensively. It was a great weapon for him and had he not been German and been robbed here by jingoistic officials he would have had a better reign on paper and would have also been the first guy to regain his title. The guy is ridiculously underrated.

 

Like I said , he was a smart , well conditioned guy .. great, no way. I don't think he was a top ten at cruiser ... great fighters do not get destroyed by Max Baer like he did ..

 

Perhaps you should learn how to read .. :nut

 

Why ? What did I get wrong ?
You wrote "he had no jab. he had no hook".

Then when people said he had a great jab, you mention Louis, Holmes and Ali, I guess to illustrate what a great jab is.
But your original statement was exactly as I said. "he had no jab. he had no hook".

Right ?

 

Why? Lennox Lewis got destroyed by Rahman. Tyson got destroyed by Douglas. Johnson got destroyed by Willard. Dempsey got destroyed by Flynn. Who says one loss defines a fighters standing? Max Baer was surely better than those guys. Schmeling was a terrific fighter whose career would likely look a lot better on paper had the sport not been dominated by New York powerbrokers who had an interest in keeping the title in the United States. Im not even sure Baer would/could have beaten him had he been forced to fight within the rules. Schmeling had every single disadvantage in the fight except experience and they still allowed Baer to fight completely outside of the rules. Pushing, lacing, rabbit punches, low blows, back hands, etc. Go see how often Baer was warned or if points were taken away. And why not, Dempsey promoted it and Baer was Dempsey's fighter, Dempsey was grooming him for a title shot and had done everything he could to further his career. Schmeling and Carnera were foreign and Sharkey was colorless. Dempsey learned enough from Tex Rickard to know the money is with personality and Max Baer had that in spades. He was also a big, strong, hard punching, athletic fighter that was awkward enough to upset the apple cart against better fighters like Schmeling and Sharkey, and lesser fighters like Carnera, especially if you let him break the rules like he did against Schmeling and Carnera over and over.

 

Schmeling was a force and had some excellent wins, I do not hold the Baer loss against him because Max B was also a great fighter but sporadically, he was in shape for Max S. Also during the war the stress of Nazi Germany made it hard for Max S. and his training was compromised from what I have been told.

good points from Klompton and Ed M. Schmeling had a strange style but clever and planned, I would have loved to see him Vs Tunney and Dempsey because I think he would have fared well.

 

Max was a top contender and champion over 10 years and during that 10 year span put together a great record fighting the best of his time. He threw every punch well but did indeed favor his right hand sometime pawing with his left. He overstrained for his bout with Baer and as such came into the ring stale. Baer fought the fight of his life that night.

 

Max trained in Northern NJ for his fight with Baer off Cozy Lake Road in Jefferson. The area by the lake where his training camp was set up is still there today.