Max Schmeling vs Larry Holmes

Kind of weird reasoning saying schmeling could win because he's close to shavers and weaver in height when holmes defeated both of them...twice i believe.

Shavers brought non stop cannonball power in both hands, weaver was as strong as an ox and a roughhouse slugger. Schmelings style was completely different: a high ring iq stalking counter puncher. And he didnt have the strength, power, or aggression of shavers or weaver, so u really dont see where the comparison is being made other than height.

And i see people are pointing out how holmes had a similar weakness to joe louis. The difference is, Holmes is not only taller than Joe, he has a significant reach advantage over Schmeling and hes not gonna be flat footed and walking slow. In fact, the thread started mentioned that this Holmes of the Norton fight. THAT version of Holmes had some of the best footwork youve ever seen next to ali. His fast stinging jab had weight to it and he could win entire rounds with it.

I just dont think schmelings slow footed, methodical counter punching style would work. He'd be the shorter man trying to time a much faster holmes with his rear hand while Holmes is flicking his lead hand out whilst moving laterally. Holmes' chin would hold up even if schmeling managed to drop him (which i dont see happening in the first place) as holmes had great recovery and stamina. And i certainly dont see schmeling winning a decision over a prime holmes.

Holmes wins by 10th round TKO as schmeling is covered in welts and a a completely shut left eye.

 

He would have an outside shot, but the size comparisons you use are not completely accurate.
You cannot cherry-pick a size dimension instead of looking at the total picture of strength & bulk.
Shavers was stronger & somewhat more muscular than Max. And still lost both times.
Weaver-you use a size when he debuted, he both was still somewhat more muscular than Schmelling & yet unlikely to ever beat a near peak Holmes.
Spinks edged-once legitimately-a faded Holmes. Even then, he had mucho modern weight training & his dimensions were larger than Max.

 

Holmes had a superior jab to Louis's , Larry would take a UD. probably get nailed a few times in route to a 145-142 win.

 

To be fair, Louis's jab probably landed harder.

 

Holmes stopes Max around the tenth or eleventh in a one sided fight. Prime Max has nothing to cope with a prime Holmes jab. He cant get past it or around it and if he even comes close Bang! Holmes rt hand time after time. Holmes by KO

 

Accept for being a terrific counter-puncher who legendarily beat Louis by timing his jab. As pointed out, whereas Holme's was longer, faster and more text-book, Louis' was almost certainly harder, so Max would not exactly be discouraged from trying.

I don't know how else to say it other than how I have said it. given his frame, Max could have fought at a much higher weight in the modern era. He could have manufactured the muscle. His height would have allowed it.

 

He didnt beat Louis by timing his jab,he spotted Louis did not return his left hand to the guard position after jabbing, so he sacrificed his face, particularly his left eye to punishment, then fired his right when the opening was there.

 

Lets take fighters as they actually were shall we , not as some mythical chimera.That's what the Rockista's always do with Marciano when confronted by his diminutive size,"well today he could be 212lbs "etc ad nauseum.Total BS!

 

You have said exactly the same thing in different words. Good job.

 

No one said anything about Marciano. What I have said is exactly correct.

 

Max started boxing as a adult........

Max will never get away from Holmes piston jab plus the right behind it...Max can think as much as he wants but Holmes will never let him set while making him see double with the jab....this is not some immobile shuffling Louis, this is Holmes with exceptional footwork/speed of foot....

Conclusion: you aint beating Holmes by picking up Boxing because you saw it on the big screen and thought you can do that too, to his credit he did get pretty far in the mainly talent less Heavy scene from the 30's but straight out of a time machine he gets killed......and Holmes would not need Roosevelt and the main stream media to demonize Max, he would do it all on his own.

 

Schmeling’s neanderthal forehead with be a easy target for Holmes jab all night long. People might say Louis also had a good jab but unlike Louis, Holmes didn’t mind winning the fight by having to jab you to death rather than just using it to set up his more forceful knockout punches.

 

Good call! that's what Max said before the first fight,,,I see something! and he drilled Joe with the right.

 

Maybe, it's arguable. But overall, power, length and speed Holmes I believe had the best jab in heavyweight history