Max Schmeling vs. Primo Carnera

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  1. red cobra

    red cobra Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Of the 5 heavyweight champions that came after Tunney and before Louis, these two never fought. Who do you out there in Classic Forum land think would win? 15 rounds as usual for the heavyweight title.
     
  2. bumdujour

    bumdujour Well-Known Member Full Member

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    schmeling for sure. he was a quality fighter. carnera was just a big bum who won his bouts just through his mob connections.

    carnera is not in schmelling league.
     
  3. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I really like Schmeling in this...he had a beautiful straight right hand. He'd chop Carnera down in the 13th round
     
  4. red cobra

    red cobra Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I believe Schmeling, based on the excellence of his winning fight against Louis, would have been cool under fire against Carnera as well, and would have methodically timed the big fellows moves like he did the Brown Bomber's and would have leveled him with a right. Carnera would have probably gotten up, but the German was known for his cruel effectiveness when he had a guy hurt and would have punished Primo mercilessly. Too great a difference in class here. Max tko's Primo and badly hurts him. He would be more consistant against Primo than Max Baer was, and though he wasn't quite as hard a hitter as Baer, he would be more effective, and like I said before, cruelly effective and methodical. TKO 9 for Max Schmeling. Sorry, you Primo Carnera fans, but Schmeling would be too much for him.
     
  5. red cobra

    red cobra Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You may be right, it would have probably gone to round 13, as Max was very methodical and didn't rush things.
     
  6. OLD FOGEY

    OLD FOGEY Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Schmeling himself expressed a great deal of respect for Carnera, both as a man and as a fighter, in his autobiography. I don't think he would feel this would be easy.

    Schmeling was certainly the better fighter, but the fly in the ointment is size. I think the largest opponent Schmeling defeated was the 208 lb Ben Foord. Carnera is certainly going to be inches taller and fifty lbs heavier than any other Schmeling foe and with his good boxing skills and strength on the inside, I see an upset. Schmeling was a methodical fighter with excellent stamina who wore down his opponents. I don't see him wearing down the much bigger Carnera.
     
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  7. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    About right, imo. Carnera is justifiably viewed by boxing historians as one of, if not the, worst linear HW champ of all time. For some strange reason he gets overrated around here. Schmeling wasn't just a class above him, he was probably two classes above him. In a fair fight, this is no contest.

    Schmeling by wide UD
     
  8. The Long Count

    The Long Count Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I have to go with Schmeling. He had perfect timing on his right hand and that was a punch Primo couldn't avoid. Not sure Max who was a great puncher had the size to KO Carnera but he could hurt him and win a wide deciscion.
     
  9. tommytheduke

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    Carnera. If he could give Baer a black eye, I believe he could have beaten Schmeling. Too big and strong and possesed an excellent jab.
     
  10. janitor

    janitor Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There are significant question marks over how Schmeling would handle a fighter of Carnera's size, but Carnera's main vulnerability seems to have been to a right hand.

    Probably not a good vulnerability to have against Schmeling.
     
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  11. heavy_handss

    heavy_handss Guest

    Máx would beat the punching bag but it has nothing TO do with his victory over Louis, 2 different Men, 2 different fights
     
  12. edward morbius

    edward morbius Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Schmeling p4p was far the better fighter,

    but I agree with Old Fogey that Carnera's size is the wild card in this. I can see Carnera outpointing Schmeling behind his jab and simply pushing him around in the clinches. He would have about 70 lbs. on him.

    But, on balance, I think the very good little man outpoints the so-so big man, probably on the basis on a couple of knockdowns from rights.
     
  13. red cobra

    red cobra Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nah, I think you could use Primo as a barometer here.
     
  14. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker Full Member

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    Schmeling should destroy him ..
     
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  15. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Schmeling was the better fighter.. But Carnera had a significant size advantage and a style that might give him problems. It could go either way.
     


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