Max Schmeling vs. Sonny Liston

Schmeling was too cautious in the ring. He pawed with his jab but had nice power with his right. I don't think Max will be able to avoid that Liston jab and then won't see the follow up right that ends the bout. Liston ko 5.

 

I think Sonny is better in just about every department ,his right was thrown more clumsily but about as effective when it landed.He is bigger, stronger, has two handed power, a better jab and chin.I like Der Max but he is badly served here ,imo.

 

Liston had a great chin and I don't look at Max as a one punch ko type of puncher. Max was not a mover so I don't see him out boxing Sonny. Certainly Sonny is coming after Max and Max needs to get out of his way if the bout is to go past the first two rounds. It's just a bad fight for Schmeling IMO.

 

This is a bad fight for Schmeling

Max does not have the legs to stay away from Liston. He has just enough movement to keep from getting knocked out early. Max can keep Liston off by his counters and he could crack with his right.

But Listons Jab will keep Max from developing any offense. Max will quickly be in a defensive fight for survival as the range and power of Liston keep this fight out of reach for him.

Liston wont go for the KO like Louis did. He will realize he wont have to ,and simply box his way to victory. Max will be pretty busted up near the end, Liston will have his marks from Maxies counters... But overall an easy decision victory for Sonny.

 

I think that the people arguing the case for Liston, are doing it badly.

They are arguing that he would win, based on everything that didn't work for Joe Louis in their first encounter.

I think people need to look a lot deeper.

 

Nah, he exploited flaws in a complacent Louis, but Sonny is better & has more power & length.

Tiny point, I see Schmelling listed as 6'1", Sonny at minimum 6' 1/2".

Bigger point, or smaller literally: the avergae "human pecker is ~ 3 3/4" max, & depending on the online or print sources you check, erect ~ exactly 5 1/2 or 6". Likely depends upon how strict the measurement is.
There is great exaggeration & lies in this Ultimate Vanity stat.
I recall a magazine (if memory serves Vanity Fair ironically) had a survey of 1000 guys. They used the larger barely over 6" as average, & i recall ~ EXACTLY 1.5% were 8" or larger, 7 of 1000 were at least 9", & none a full 10".

Back to the farm...Schmelling would need to have an unusual stylistic advantage over Liston to warrant giving him a victory. I do not think that boxer vs. slugger is enough.

 

Fair point. I guess you are alluding to Liston and Louis being stalkers with great jabs? The fact that Schmeling had a great counter right would give him a stylistic chance, for sure.

I voted for Liston because I think he could turn the fight into a brawl and eventually catch Max. Sonny could turn a fight with one punch and was a great finisher, too. I reckon Liston in 10 rounds in a pretty tough fight.

 

Louis jabbed Schmeling's eye nearly shut in their first fight. Liston would be able to do the same.Max hit Louis with a multitude of right hands before he finally stopped him. Liston had a better chin than Joe, Max might not even floor Sonny if he hits him flush a few times.
Schmeling was a fairly static counterpuncher he would be in range of Sonny's artillery every time he launched his own shots.

I just don't see Max winning this.Liston by ko.

 

It depends on when they meet, Max beats a young colt Joe Louis and Liston lost to lighter men like Marty Marshall when very green and Leotis Martin when he was old. Max fought more from the outside and I think an inside guy has a better chance against Sonny but Max was better than those two. Sonny had the power and the early momentum and Louis KO1 an older worn Max but Baer wore him down also. This could go either way by KO depending on when they meet

 

AQb=sollutely Bummy. But prime vs. prime it is hard to see Schmelling winning.

You can google sizes, jus; check if they are self-reported or the sources! the differenc ebetween 5 6 7 7" i proportionately the same as guys 5, 6 & 7 feet TALL. And it is easy to ***** the #s, press the ruler almost into the body, lol.

Circumference is harder to *****, no pun intended.
~ 4.8", under 5 on average, taking either measurements in 3 places in averaging, or just the largest would inflate the # a bit.