Max Schmeling vs the Klitschkos

I think Max would have his moments but in the end he gets stopped by both Klitschko's.

 

The K-Bros. are head and shoulders above the late Mad Max Schmeling..... The brothers, doesn't matter which one, both would administer a wicked-ass beating to Schmeling for a middle rds TKO stoppage.... I admire Ol' Maxie, but he cannot beat the brothers.... NOPE!
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MR.BILL:hat

 

Like them or not but the bottom line is that H2H the Klitschko"s at least hold their own vs. the best HWs ever.

Yes, V.K. lost to Byrd and Lewis... that's it though. He's never been down, he was ahead vs. Byrd (LTKOby9, shoulder injury) and Lewis (LTKOby6, cuts) before losing these fights by TKO. He peaked after these fights and has gone 10-0 (8KO) since the loss to Lewis.

He's beat among others... Herbie Hide KO2, Obed Sullivan KO9, Timo Hoffman W12, Orlin Norris KO1, Ross Puritty KO11, Vaughn Bean KO11, Larry Donald KO10, Kirk Johnson KO2, Corrie Sanders KO8, Danny Williams KO8, Sam Peter KO8, Juan Carlos Gomez KO9, Chris Arreola KO10, Kevin Johnson W12, Albert Sosnowski KO10, Shannon Briggs W12, and Odlanier Solis KO1.


W.K. has lost to Ross Puritty LKOby11, Corrie Sanders KO2, and Lamon Brewster LKOby5. Unlike his older brother he has been down several times... but like his brother he has improved since the losses. He has not lost since the first Brewster fight and since that fight he has gone 14-0 (11).

Among others he has beat... Axel Schulz KO8, Phil Jackson KO2, Monte Barrett KO7, Chris Byrd x2 W12 and KO7, Derrick Jefferson KO2, Charles Shufford KO6, Frans Botha KO8, Ray Mercer KO6, Jameel McCline KO10, Danell Nicholson KO4, DaVarryl Williamson KO5, Eliseo Castillo KO4, Sam Peter x2 W12 and KO10, Calvin Brock KO7, Ray Austin KO2, Lamon Brewster KO6, Sultan Ibragimov W12, Tony Thompson KO11, Hasim Rahman KO7, Ruslan Chagaev KO9, Eddie Chambers KO12, and David Haye W12 .

 

And which of those fighters - outside of Lewis - is anywhere near Schmeling? Hell, most of those guys wouldn´t have made the Top10 back then. Listing a bunch of names doesn´t prove they are up there.

Anyway, Wlad Klitschko either stops Schmeling late, most probable outcome, or get´s himself stopped in the midrounds after beeing ****ered silly by right hands over the jab, less probably. Something like 60/40 for Wlad.

Vitali is more durable but also much more hittable. The only time he faced someone above fringe contender level he got stopped. Same would happen here, Schmeling would give him angles he hasn´t seen yet, work the body and give him a beat down. In the beginning it would be close perhaps with Vitali up but the longer the fight goes the more the momentum shifts to Max. In the end the ref steps in to save Vitali from further punishement.

 

Haye's a better athlete and more explosive, although technically less proficient and inferior than Max. While Max might be less predictable, he doesn't have the reach, height, or explosion of Haye. Countering Wlad is just not the route to go, although Max threw a mean straight right hand regardless of it being a counter or lead. He'd have to try pushing Louis and bullying him in between landing the lead & counter right. Against the physical mass of Wlad, he'd probably be on the back-foot and unable to reach his patented right hand.

Against Vitali, it might be a another story. Vitali's tougher, but a lot less technical proficient than his brother. His left hand is far too low. Making him an easy target for the right hand which Lewis showed often in their clash. He sometimes drops his right casually when he's jabbing after his man. He's a lot more willing to take more chances and open himself up than his brother. So I think Max's chances are greater against Vitali. Despite the even bigger physical disparity, and despite Vitali being tougher of the two. But who knows for sure. Vitali's less technical, more unorthodox but very effective himself. Wlad's a little more athletic, more punching power. Vitali is tougher, and seems to have a bit more stamina. Still think Max has a greater chance against Vitali. He's better than Byrd, and probably more of a threat than him I'll say that.

 

Yep, that´s why Wlad should be the fav here. Won´t count out Max but him getting stopped late is the most likely result.

Yep. The only thing Vitali has over Max is size. I don´t think it´s enough. IMO from the mind round on it will be a one-sided beating and Vitali´s own toughness and durability wokrs against him here. Look how Max beat down Walker, Hamas the second time or Louis the first time. It would be similar.

 

Reminds me of a scene in the movie The Informant. Matt Damon's character needs to prove his company is doing illegal price-fixing with other companies for the FBI. So he asks bluntly at the end of the meeting in front of all the companies, "So we agree? So we're all in agreement."

 

Not sure how Schmeling would deal with such good tall fighters.

I've only seen him against Louis, Walker, Stribling, Sharkey, Baer, Foord ....... none of them were over 6'3 or 210 ...... The Klitschko's a far bigger obstacles.

 

Schmeling needs to get close enough without getting hit on the way in. Vitali is 6'7 or 6'8.
Louis was 6'1 or 6'2.
Walker was 5'7, Hamas about 6'1.
It's a massive difference.

 

True. But Schmeling was sizewise comparable sized to Chagaev and Ibragimov and only slightly smaller than Haye and slightly bigger than Byrd. And while all of them lost to Wlad, they all got good punches in and were able to hit him. He would certainly do better than that.

Byrd beat Vitali, I know, the circumstances. Nevertheless, that fight shows that a smaller man is able to rech Vitali and make him miss. Schmeling would do much better than Byrd. Vitali´s next fight is against Adamek, many give Tomasz a good chance in there - including me - Adamek is nearly the exact same size as Schmeling - half inch taller, one inch less reach - we´ll see how that one turns out, would give us a good indication.

btw. Schmeling´s leaning back and down would neutralize a lot of their size and reach advantage since they would have to lean for- and downward to hit him - which additionally would put them off-balance.

Anyway, size is overrated.

 

I'm not sure he'd do any better than that. It's uncertain.
Ibragimov, Chagaev and Byrd had all beat some reasonably good tall fighters before facing Wlad, so in a way they have that advantage over Max.

I'm all for saying a small guy can beat a big one, and maybe Schmeling would do well against some good tall fighters, but we have to judge fighters on what they did. Maybe Max would have had issues with 6'6 men.

I'd be able to form a better opinion on whether Schmeling was better or worse against tall fighters if he'd fought Carnera. But he never did.
That would have been an interesting fight.

 

That´s as much speculation as saying he wouldn´t.

 

No, because I'm not saying either way.
How Schmeling does against good 6'7, or ANY 6'7, opponent, is an unknown.

But, as you know, we KNOW Wladimir can beat men Schmeling's size, and generally does so quite easily.

:good

 

We´ve never seen him fighting a man of Schmeling´s class though. And he lost to men of similar size too. :thumbsup