Max Schmeling vs. these Heavyweights

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Take away the Louis win ,when Louis did not train as he should have , and Schmeling does not qualify for the word great being affixed to his name.
     
  2. George Crowcroft

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    Most from that era are. Most before are overrated, though, imo.

    Although, I can see anyone who's a Schmeling detractor's point. A size argument can often be a rational one, and at 195lbs; Schmeling isn't on the larger side. He wasn't exactly bulletproof. He also doesn't have cataclysmic power(a factor which tantalises almost everyone on here). He was obviously a good technician, in the same breath as Loughran and Braddock, his positioning style of defence is prehistoric but it works. The timing on his right is great in any era.

    Either way, being small and somewhat chinny ain't gonna get you very far in a hypothetical.
     
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  3. Charlietf

    Charlietf Active Member Full Member

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    Of course. schmeling's passport to be mentioned on these debates is a victory over a young Louis
     
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  4. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Stop living in wonderland. He was good back then.

    Later, he would fight at 190CW. Stop this rubbish. The way he lost to bar-brawler Max Baer is everything you need to know. A little tricky quickness could trouble Louis at times, nothing new. He would not suit 215lb + strong HW boxers.
     
  5. mcvey

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    Peaks? He beat Uzcudun in1935, have a look for the last time Paulino was ranked in the top ten!
    Foord had lost his previous 3 and would lose his next one.
    Hamas was having his last fight.
    Risko had lost 2 of his previous 3 and 6 of his last 11.
     
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  6. George Crowcroft

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    Charles UD15
    Walcott UD15
    Patterson KO5
    Lyle KO2
    Schmeling UD15
    Witherspoon KO3
    Thomas TKO6
    Schmeling UD15
    Schmeling UD15
    Morrison KO1
    Schmeling UD15
    Tua KO(when it comes)
    Ike TKO4/5
    Schmeling UD15
    Schmeling UD15
    6.
     
  7. Charlietf

    Charlietf Active Member Full Member

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    I think that the cooney that Holmes fought.would have a big chance to beat max by ko
     
  8. Gazelle Punch

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    I’d pick Charles, Walcott, Patterson, Ike, and maybe Tua to win. The rest a toss up. No guarantee against any of them really and vice versa for that matter.
     
  9. George Crowcroft

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    I completely agree. I actually wrote Cooney KO3, then second guessed myself.
     
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  10. 70sFan865

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    Who? Outside of Hamas who he destroyed in rematch?
     
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    He beat a lot of contenders and won a lineal HW title.
     
  12. Charlietf

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    Gipsy daniels by ko in 1and Jack taylor for example
     
  13. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He's all-timer at his weight. Below 200 lbs not many would beat him and he beat quite a few 200+lbs fighters. I'm not saying that he would dominate 215+lbs heavyweights but I'm sure he wouldn't be out of depth against some of them and under 200 lbs he's among best ever.
     
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    He also beat Uzcudun in 1929, don't you know that?
     
  15. 70sFan865

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    It's true and that's why I don't like matching him up against 215+lbs heavyweights, because he didn't face them. I am talking more about below 200 lbs comparisons, he's almost always picked as a loser in fantasy fights.
    That said, he beat Sharkey, Uzcudun and Louis - all of them were more than capable 200 lbs fighters.
    For his size he definitely did.
    I'd say that he was definitely better technician than Braddock, who relied a lot on basic boxing and great chin. His style isn't prehistoric, it's just very unique. Nobody fought like Schmeling even in his era.
    Again, not against fighters his size or guys a bit bigger than him.
     


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