Max Schmeling vs these two

Couldn`t the same be said of Moore at heavy? What else did he do at heavy besides give Marciano a rough time?

 

I don’t feel Max is overrated I actually believe he is under appreciated. He knocked out Joe Louis. Aside from that great feat I feel from the footage i’ve Seen and the accounts I have read he clearly deserved the deciscion over Jack Sharkey.
That’s a very good Hw win. Add in he knocked out some iron chinned contenders of the day in Risko and Stribling, proves Max was dangerous. And not just some guy who had a lucky night. He should of been allowed to make more defenses of the title had he not been robbed and he likely wins the title back had he not been avoided by Braddock and his ppl.
As for the above bouts two good fights. I think Holy May have had too much movement and been too active for Max but if Max could hurt him it could be a war. I think Max could stop Archie but I wouldn’t rule Archie out either. Solid fights

 

Mad max by KO over both. Moore in 8 and Holyfield 12-15. Schmeling was great also. To technical a boxer. Great mind. Savage hitter.

 

When you consider Moore didn’t fight any HWs till a late age and found the success he did against so many prime opponents I’d say he was remarkable. Beating the likes of Jimmy Bivens four times, Nino Valdez twice, Clarence Henry, Buddy Walker, Satterfield, Harold Johnson, Bob baker. His average age for a HW fight was like 39 and I don’t think he lost a HW fight till he met Marciano.

 

I dissagree in one sense because I feel Max would have beaten those fighters also but you could be right in saying that if he could fight so well at 39 at heavy then what could he do against Max if he was in his 20`s? Moore was far better thanForeman was at 39 also.

 

Max is very underated. The fight he lost to Sharkey a joke.Look at his wins vs Hamas,Stribling,Mickey Walker. Max would do to a great Archie what Ali,Rocky,Floyd did. Yes hes in that company.

 

If you think that Schmeling's reputation hangs on the Louis win, then you need to look into his carer more!

 

You can't be serious. Without the Louis win, Schmeling wouldn't be rated nearly as high head-to-head as he is on forums like this. And some people would be looking at his losses and underperformances a lot more closely.

 

Takes more than a good right to thrash Qawi. Holyfield was better than Schmeling in a lot of ways. Better footwork and mobility. Better combination punching. Also taller with a slightly longer reach than Schmeling, and the skillset to keep Qawi at the end of his reach for extended periods of time. Most likely had a better chin too. All of these traits helped Holyfield tame Qawi. Schmeling might be up to the task but it's not obvious to me that he deals with Qawi's pressure, angles, jabbing, and inside work as well as Holyfield did.

 

Max didn`t have Ali`s reach and Moore was a lot older when he fought him than when he fought Marciano, Floyd was more like Max than Rocky was in terms of style and more like than Ali in terms of reach, I feel you may be right about the Floyd comparison.

 

What weight would Max be fighting Qawi at though? Cruiser? What was Max`s fighting weight compared to Qawi`s at cruiser? I f Max came in at the weight he was when he fought Louis then I fel his power would be far too much.

 

What do you think his reputation/ranking would have been without the Louis win?

 

The only opponents he fought that he didn't beat were Larry Gains (when Max was a teen), Max Baer, and Richard Vogt (when Max was 43). So only Baer when he wasn't way out of prime.

It might be interesting to look into his losses more though. . . .

Still it's silly to talk about Schmeling's rep if he didn't beat Louis, because he did, and easilly the best version of Louis anyone beat. Are you going to assess Frazier without the Ali win, Bowe without Holyfield, Duran without Leonard? Of course an ATG win massively enhances a fighter's stock.