Max SchmelingV Floyd Patterson??

Tell 'em JT1

 

Nah, not much faster. You’re exaggerating

And like I said, handspeed is overrated, louis was so much more powerful and stronger. Even if you give Floyd the edge in speed, it doesn’t mean anything

 

No surprise taking in count the owner of the post

 

Louis's hands might have looked faster on the receiving end.

They were so straight and compact.

 

Louis looks pretty damn fast to me here.

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And the right leads he repeatedly drops Pastor with here look every bit as a fast and perfectly thrown to me as the right Tyson dropped Holmes with.

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Incidentally these weren't cherry picked. I happened to already be on Youtube and just clicked on the first two videos I saw in the sidebar.

 

There's always a reason, but it isn't always a good one. Sometimes people with exceptional abilities become known for a particular strength that wrongly overshadows other areas in which they may be just as strong, or nearly so. Beethoven is supposedly king of the emotionally profound and sublime, and Mozart the agile, lighthearted virtuoso, and yet:

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Charlie Parker is more known for his blistering technique than the matchlessly innovative Coltrane, and yet:

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If Eddie Futch said it, and he did, Louis is part of the conversation.

 

Schmeling was a good solid, all-around fighter, indeed a better than the average champion. Maybe better than Patterson. But he is the current benefactor of a wave of over-enthusiastic boxing revisionism. I can't recall anybody than saw Schmeling in his time-frame seeing him as an ATG. We don't generally rate Buster Douglas on his one perfect fight, nor should we do so with Max. The Schmeling that Sharkey out-boxed in their first fight, or the one of the Baer fight, the Max of the second Louis fight-though I give him a break there, he was old for the time- or the first Hamas fight, was no all-time great. The fabled right-hand was actually a lot more unsuccessful than the much-maligned Ingo's- and who in the hell did he fight with Floyd's speed of foot, never mind his hand speed. Daft as it may sound. Patterson was hard to kayo, easy to floor but a survivor a lot of the time. Patterson on points for me, unless he doesn't be positive enough, a la his fight with Ellis. Great match-up though.

 

Nat Fleischer rated schmeling 9th all time heavyweight. Called him the "most underrated of hw champions"

Max did have a period of a couple years 33-34 where he lost his focus mentally, didn't train as hard, and lacked confidence...but he pulled it together in 35-37 with some fantastic performances


Max resume speaks for itself

Johnny Risko- schmeling only man to stop him
Young Stribling- schmeling only man to stop him
Mickey Walker- did very well in heavyweight division. Schmeling tuned him up
Joe Louis - Might be the single greatest performance ever in a boxing ring. His plan was incredible
Jack sharkey- hall of fame champion, got badly out boxed by Schmeling in the 2nd fight. Highway robbery
Harry Thomas- title challenger
Walter Neusal- top 10
Steve hamas- Schmeling ruined his guys career
Paoliano uzcuden- title challenger

Schmeling knocked all of these men out except sharkey and uZcuden

 

NOBODY had faster hands than Floyd.

 

Swaggy just nailed it!

 

Max stops Floyd.

 

Over time the talk of his handspeed has dulled in favor of his awesome power and precision. Dig deep enough tho and there are plenty of anecdotes.