Maxine Dempsey Alive in 1928?

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  1. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    OK, this article has been throwing me for a loop since I first saw it. And now i come across it again, in a second paper. Someone more experienced in research please explain.

    Maxine Dempsey a few years after being paid off by Jack Kearns and film man Frank Spellman to recant her testimony against champ Jack Dempsey and most importantly, paid off to not release the letters Jack wrote where he allegedly admitted to purposely avoiding the draft, died in a fire in New Mexico. This version of her death has been repeated as gospel up until and inlcuding Kahn's recent Dempsey bio.

    However, there is an article that came out in April 1928 entitled... "Maxine Dempsey, Supposed Burned to Death, Now Appears Alive"... she had secured a lawyer and was threatening a suit on the grounds of fraud.

    "It was the first appearance of Jack's former wife since she mysteriously dropped out of sight- over night- during trial of the then champion on slacker charges in San Francisco shortly after the world war.

    "She was paid $1500 by Jack Kearns, then Dempsey's manager, for signing certain affidavits and fleeing jurisdiction of the courts, she said. Dempsey, through Kearns, had promised her $3500 more to be paid if he was acquitted of the slack charges, she declared, but this promise- among others - he apparently forgot.

    'Three days after he married me he went broke... His only carress was dragging me by the hair. The rest of my affair with Jack must remain secret until after the papers in my case are filed by Mr. Harben. Once that is done, I will disclose things that will electrify the world.'"

    What does anyone make of this? I have been looking for follow ups to it but have found little but paraphrases or excerpts of this same article. If it is entirely bullsh*t, who cared enough in 1928 to have it printed, after Jack's career was over?
     
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    Chuck1052 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    According to U.S. Census records on the Ancestry.com website, one Maxine Cates, a 23-year-old divorced native of Oregon and the listed head of the household, was living with five other women in Wells, Nevada during 1920. The census taker wrote "Red Lights" in the occupational category for all six women, all of whom were listed as being no more than 35 years of age.

    - Chuck Johnston
     
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  3. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Cates did not die in a fire. The story was that she died in a fire in Jaurez in 1924 but the fire chief of that city denied that had ever happened when she resurfaced in 1928.
     
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  4. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    The story I read was she supposedly died in Albuquerque in 1924. Even Kahn repeats this in 2009.

    Did anything ever become of her lawsuit?

    Doesn't it seem odd to folks that she had to be paid off to recant her testimony against Dempsey? Isn't that illegal, tampering with a witness or some such thing?

    Man, there is a lot of smoke...
     
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  5. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    She faked her own death so that Dempsey would have another excuse not to fight Harry Wills!
     
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  6. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Honestly why does anybody care?

    This is personal **** that has nothing to do with boxing. No matter how much information you dig up, you'll never know the truth of what happened anyway.


    TMZ: Classic
     
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  7. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Who says she had to be paid off apart from her?

    Agenda Agenda Agenda:deal
     
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  8. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Maybe Jack did her in? Seamus will find out for us .

    When it comes to Dempsey he is Inspector Javert to Dempsey's Jean ValJean
     
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  9. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    So we aren't supposed to speak about boxers in any other context than exactly what happened when they were in the ring. Got it.

    Just let me tell the mods to delete half the threads ever posted on this forum.

    Honestly, why does anyone care?? Really? For the same reason people care about Tyson's personal life. For the same reason 3/4 of the movie (and book) Raging Bull took place outside of the ring. I could go on and on and on but I think trying to spell out to a boxing fan why boxing fans on a boxing forum care about boxers lives is pretty moronic.
     
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  10. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Mc, You are so right. Just when I try to avoid Seamus with his damn
    sick "agenda" to discredit Jack Dempsey time and again he pulls me back in...If this latest post doesn't prove of his clinical hatred for this one fighter named Jack Dempsey, this latest tirade on Maxine Dempsey
    from out of nowhere , seals the deal...It seams that Seamus has
    a true obsession and mission to pile on all types of dirt on a long dead fighter...To write that Jack Dempsey was not a good fighter is fair game, but to urinate on a long dead human being time after time, tells me he is is a muckraker on a mission to destroy a man who is long dead and has no family living today to tell off this slimeball...
    thanks Mc...Yes Mc, Agenda Agenda Agenda...
     
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  11. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I am citing an article that was printed in the Portland Oregonian, Chicago Tribune and San Francisco Chronicle. Do you have a problem citing historical documents from reputable publications?


    Given that that Maxine is repeatedly reported at dead in 1924 by even the most recent bio on Dempsey, I found it a bit odd to see this.

    If she did file suit, what were the results? If it was never actualized, for what reasons? Why was it reported she was dead? Why did she suddenly re-appear and subsequently disappear for good? None of this interests you? Are you purposely anti-intellectual or afraid of what you might see if you unbury your head from the sand?
     
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  12. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Love it:good
     
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  13. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Da pretentious intellectual gatherer of useless info that ONLY he cares about. The smoke is coming out of your rear end, and you are right a lot of smoke :lol::lol::lol:
     
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  14. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No, shampus, not anti-intellectual, anti-stupid:lol:
     
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  15. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I guess that you will have to blame the Whitechapel murders on John L Sullivan.

    He was alive at the time, and drew the colour bar.
     
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