Maybe I don't understand physics but size=power, right?

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  1. Decker

    Decker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't - Statistician.
     
  2. TFP

    TFP Active Member Full Member

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    I dropped physics in what I think Americans would call the '11th grade' - I turned up to a class or two but it wasn't really my bag at all. So I feel well qualified to comment.

    I liked the point someone on the first page makes about the jab being [often] the fastest punch in a boxer's arsenal but also [typically] the lightest. It's because the fist is [crudely speaking] being 'flicked' out, as soon as it meets resistance [from someone's body or head] it tends to 'bounce' back quite easily/it doesn't much momentum/it's primarily the hand that is bring thrown. It's the equivalent of [from another post on the front page] the screwed up piece of paper being thrown at high speed. But with a well executed cross or hook or whatever, a significant proportion of the bodyweight is, in effect, being thrown, giving it significant momentum - when it meets resistance it doesn't bounce back nearly as easily.
     
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    Dodgy Syrup Active Member banned Full Member

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    Gotcha.

    Are you up to speed on fighters stats etc...or have you had enough of that by the time you get to relax and talk boxing?
     
  4. jauseptt

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    Learn baby learn!
     
  5. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

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    If you aren't properly putting your mass in motion the equation breaks down. That's why there seems to be an infinite amount of variables out there
     
  6. Bumnard_Hopkins

    Bumnard_Hopkins Burger King banned Full Member

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    A bigger, slower object can still create a greater impact but this analogy does not explain punching mechanics.

    Your fist is not like a thrown brick. The energy that you transfer into the target is a combination of your arms' kinetic energy and the potential energy of your muscles (arms, shoulders, torso etc).

    If you had two boxers with roughly similar biomechanics then naturally the bigger man would punch harder.

    A heavyweight's punch is slower but the spectator gets fooled too. We tend to measure the speed of an object in relation to the length of that particular object. For example: insects seem to be faster than they actually are because their bodies are tiny. A jet airliner despite being a hundred times faster looks slow because it is gigantic.
     
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  7. rhin0z>

    rhin0z> Boxing Addict Full Member

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    power = force x velocity
    I dont think tyson or liston were big heavyweights in comparison to todays guys. strength and speed determine more about power. swing a slow 75 pound heavy bag at a guy and he takes the blow. swing that same heavy bag with speed and force that guy goes to the other side of the room.
     
  8. KernowWarrior

    KernowWarrior Bob Fitzsimmons much bigger brother. Full Member

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    Physics, velocity, mass, acceleration............?:confused:
    I shall use Alis quote in my defence
    "I said I was 'The Greatest,' I never said I was the smartest!"
     
  9. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    lmao.
     
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  10. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    the reason slow hw can punch so hard, is because there is no give to their punches, no recoil, no loss of energy at contact. it punches straight through the weight of head and strength of neck resisting its force. you only need enough speed to slap the brain against the cranium to put a guys lights out. if he is already moving forward, a punch from a hw will stop, and instantly reverse, the forward momentum of the head, causing it to slam against the walls that just changed direction.
     
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  11. G Man

    G Man Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The variables are almost endless. Just some of the attributes of KO artists include reflex, strength, fast-twitch muscle, technique, physical dimensions, weight, speed, aggression, timing, fighting style...and the effectiveness of all the above is dependent on the attributes of your opponent and how they gel with your own.
     
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  12. Ted Stickles

    Ted Stickles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    it has a lot to do with genetics, build, proper placement and weight shift. I was taught at a young age that I had natural punching power but being an inexperienced kid I was throwing more of an arm punch then a proper punch. It was explained to me that if someone weighs 200 lbs when you throw properly and shift at the hips and have the legs and body behind it your then hitting with your full 200 pounds. A guy like Wilder is tall and long and his right hand essentially comes from far back almost like a missle… Joe Louis, and Thomas Hearns are other examples of this. Speed, weight, shift and the build up from the legs through the hips generate power. Some guys like foreman are just dense heavy boned and muscled behemoths who are equal to having a cement bag swung at you, it might not be fast but when it connects it’s gonna do damage. Everyone is different but natural power is a gift, and proper placement and weight shift makes it possible to use it to its fullest potential. So size doesn’t necessarily mean power in a lot of cases.
     
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  13. Decker

    Decker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm somewhat up to speed, and if not can look up quickly on boxrec or elsewhere.

    Some of my other hobbies have a stat bent, so yes, I think I get enough quant time in my life :sconf:
     
  14. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lmao you fkn troll
     
  15. Hanz Cholo

    Hanz Cholo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mass x acceleration = Force or Power

    simple math, moving on.