Maybe I don't understand physics but size=power, right?

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  1. nervousxtian

    nervousxtian Trolljegeren Full Member

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    There’s is way more to punching power than trying to do mass and speed. It’s about leverage, follow-thru, balance, momentum, speed and technique. You aren’t punching a wall or uniform object so the person getting hit absorbs a blow in multiple different ways.

    Punching hard is about mechanics. Much like throwing a baseball.
     
  2. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    FOR WHAT?!!!

    I'm trying to learn from people. But listen, Deedo, everybody, ya'll are super smart and I respect that. But if you take a bowling ball, which are heavy, they're heavy enough that if you aren't used to bowling like I am, it will hurt your shoulder a lot if you do it all night, gettin' tight at the alleys. Then you take like a feather, something that is so light that biophysically throughout evolution became as light as possible to fly with, so that even a dinosaur could turn into a bird and lift itself up off the ground and remain in the air like a helicopter, then you try to drop them both off a cliff at the same height, the bowling ball will have to hit the ground first---because it's FASTEST and hits the hardest. It is attracted to the ground faster and more because of its denseness, right? So, when things are vertically going like a punch, why is that any different?
     
  3. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It depends. Length is just an illusion of power. Girth, meanwhile, is true power..
     
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  4. Dodgy Syrup

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    Wow, if only you'd come along 13 pages ago...we could have used that kind of thinking.
     
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  5. Dodgy Syrup

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    A feather also has a design that means it won't fall in a uniform manner, like the bowling ball.

    It will turn and change direction as the air moves across and around it.

    The ball will simply cut through the air.
     
  6. Viper2789

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    Maybe you should consider impulse too:

    Change in momentum = forced applied x time

    The reason you 'follow through' with a punch, football kick, golf swing etc is because of this equation.

    A jab doesn't have the follow through of a cross say. Also consider the fact the cross involves transferring the mass of the body through the shoulders as you rotate. A jab doesn't.

    There is even more to it, just think through the mechanics of each punch. Practice and feel how your balance changes with the variety of punches - you can feel where your mass goes...
     
  7. Hanz Cholo

    Hanz Cholo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    sorry Dodgy,

    I stopped by at my 1st available moment,
    Some of us do have lives outside of these boards.

    I’ll do better next time.
     
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  8. Dodgy Syrup

    Dodgy Syrup Active Member banned Full Member

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    That's quite alright, Hanz, me old mate.

    Just don't let it happen again...we need you here at all times to explain complex physics related questions.
     
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  9. From.Russia

    From.Russia Boxing Addict Full Member

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    mass x acceleration = force formula doesnt 100% apply in boxing, because we dont literally throw our hands like objects, lol, our hands are attached to the body, so punching power is more about technique. Bandeedo already explained it well. As an example you can take GGG who is not the biggest fighter in his division, nor the fastest, actually his speed is mediocre at best, but he still cracks more than bigger guys with better speed.
     
  10. snake33

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    The bigger you are the more potential you have for power. That's why great HW hit hardest.
    BUT you need velocity, leverage and timing in order to execute a powerful punch.
    If you throw arm punches then you only have the potential power of the weight of your arms.
    In order to throw a full potential punch it needs to originate in your hips and punch through the target.
    Of course you are more vulnerable to a counter when you punch through and that's why some guys don't do that or get exposed.
     
  11. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    But an object has no desires of its own. So, it can't just turn and change directions. It has to go the way it goes. Unless this is like The Secret stuff where as long as you want something you attract it. But I don't understand that kind of physics. So, a ball doesn't cut air because it is not sharp or even airodiemanically sharp where it's pointed with edges. It is completely round or oblong. Some people say something is in the air that you can cut with a knife but that's just a saying. Air doesn't really work like that, is my understanding.

    The problem with me is if you take two wires and you run a current through them in the same direction, they both get there at the same time. But currents don't really weigh anything like a person does. So, when a person runs through at the same time and directional speed, it's gonna hit with the force of the punch and that's volume and mass accelerating from the weight of the fighter himself and his own weight.
     
  12. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Yeah, there is a lot to it but I feel like I can't read all of this stuff with all the linking off site and stuff. I mean, if no one can summereyes this in like a paragraph in one sentence anywhere in five pages I just don't think anyone really knows for sure. That's physics for ya! Peace.
     
  13. Dodgy Syrup

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    You misunderstood.

    I didn't say the feather has any "desires of its own".

    That is a bizarre suggestion.

    I think, perhaps, you thought I was being literal when I was just using words that would be easy to visualise.

    For instance, when I said "cut through the air" I merely used it as way to describe something moving at speed with little resistance...not something actually cutting the air.

    I'm not a scientist, so I'm using simplified language - for my benefit but also for those who, like me, won't/can't follow along when complex equations are used.

    Because of the shape of a feather it will tumble and rotate, turning and rolling, because the air hitting it causes this to happen.

    It catches different parts of the feather and this is what causes the change in direction.

    If you make an aerodynamically efficient paper aeroplane and throw it there is a graceful flight path as the air moves across it in a uniform manner.

    Screw up the wings and all of the sudden the air is meeting resistance, it can't move in a uniform way, and so the paper aeroplane hits the ground.

    I hope I'm making sense?

    I know what I trying to say, but it's difficult to find the right words as I'm (obviously) not an expert.

    It would be so much easier to have a practical demonstration.
     
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