Maybe Rubin Hurricane Carter isn't as innocent as believed

Someone should make No Neck read this post.

Posit an opinion, face a well-researched and well-worded counter argument, decide that you may be wrong and concede graciously. Nice work, janitor.

 

Just saw the movie

Very good

It reminded me of

Dewey Bozella

But with him I'm more confident that he was really innocent

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Great documentary

 

Rubin Carter was a bad guy, and I haven't seen the movie but I know it wasn't at all realistic.
Rubin Carter was a bad guy, a scum bag perhaps, a thug maybe. A psychopath even.

But I doubt the 'evidence' against him was at all safe. That's why he got cleared later. Not because Bob Dylan wrote a song of a bunch of protester activists or celebrities and 'community leaders' championed his cause, but because he the evidence and testimony against him was not sound.

Lots of people simply say "oh, he was a scum-bag, in my opinion he's guilty". Well, a lot of scum-bags are on the streets. You don't just convict people on your 'it's the kind of thing he'd do' feeling, in a fair justice system.

 

That song is a banger though.

 

Yeah, from what I've seen in this thread the evidence was almost certainly planted or at the very least tampered with. Rubin Carter was a horrible person but you can't **** up someone's trial like that.

 

At this point thid case reminds me of the movie 12 angry men; did the guy do it? Probably, but the evidence wasn’t sufficient enough for a conviction and life ruined.

 

The police likely framed a guilty man but that's no no in our justice system.

 

Sadly, because of how Dylan sounds at concerts, a lot of us wouldn't know if he did that or not, even if we attended all the concerts.

 

Is it true from the time he was released till he died he stayed free of any trouble?

 

Its drivel from a right wing rag

 

Carter was on the downslope of his boxing career when arrested. Losing to fringe contenders and no real path to a title shot. He was not a good man. He was in reform school at 11, court-martial and dishonorable discharge from Army and did time in prison before his boxing career. I have no doubts he was guilty of that shooting.

 

New Jersey, dubbed the Garden State (where I grew up) is quite beautiful but the bigger cities -- Newark, Bayonne, Elizabeth, Jersey City, Hoboken, Camden, Paterson had rough, crime-ridden areas with racially segregated housing and schools. These dense, mostly black neighborhoods sat within a short ride of rich areas dotted with mansions. These cities were seen as powder kegs, rife with resentment and fears of race riots such as the one Newark experienced in 1967. This was the racial climate in which Sonny Liston and Rubin Carter rose to fame and notoriety. Both fighters -- and the public's reaction to them -- were a byproduct of the racially complicated, emotional times that served as backdrop to the Carter case.