Mayweather’s schooling of Canelo vs Bivol’s

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  1. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'm talking who is the best H2H. Let's clear the confusion here. Bivol beats every man on Canelo's resume. With ease actually.
     
  2. Serge

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    I told you all Bivol had the style to cause Clenelo fits and that he was one of Clenelo's best opponents ever, like top 3 along with Floyd and GGG - the versions of Kovalev and Melon Head Miguel he fought were way past their best. But you mocked and sneered me and tried to get them to lock me up in the insane asylum again even though, as I literally have been every single time about every single thing, I was 100% right.
     
  3. shadow111

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    What a guy rehydrates to vs a fighter becoming unhealthy due to starving himself to make a catchweight, which Canelo clearly was at the weigh-in. Pale white as a ghost, bone dry, cheek bones piercing through the skin. Canelo was severely malnourished and starved during fight week to make Floyd's 152-lb catchweight. Being malnourished and starved during fightweek had a drastic effect on Canelo's performance, concentration, and perticularly his ability to showcase high level defense which he needed to beat Mayweather.

    You trying to say "well none of that matters because he rehydrated 13 lbs and outweight Floyd by 10 pounds on the night" is mental. Canelo was capable of making 154 safely, he wasn't capable of making 152 safely, and that was the only way Floyd would fight him. That renders the result illegitimate due to the fight not being on an even playing field. An even playing field is not defined by how much you rehydrate to or weigh on the night. An even playing field is both fighters being allowed to be healthy and to compete at the normal weight limit in a title fight, in this case a unification.
     
  4. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Oh please. He was one pound lighter than his previous fight.

    Mayweather didn't fight him AT THE WEIGH IN. He fought Canelo 30 HOURS later when Canelo was 10 full pounds HEAVIER than Floyd.

    Asking a guy to lose one more pound is purely psychological. That's all. It's just a way to get in his head (and apparently all of yours).

    It means nothing 30 hours later when the bell rings.

    Nothing at all.

    They don't fight at the weigh in.

    Mayweather beat a Canelo Alvarez who weighed 165 pounds when the fight began!

    Alvarez was a super middleweight when the bell rang and they started throwing punches.
     
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  5. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    As was I. I favored Bivol and said that Canelo may very well lose a decision to Bivol. We saw how much slower and economical he was against Kovalev fighting at a higher weight. I expected more of the same against Bivol. The difference is, against Bivol, he knew he had to start faster and win the early rounds, which he did. But then he tired. That's all that happened, it was very predictable, yet going in fans acted like Canelo couldn't lose a decision in Vegas, which I knew was BS, then after the fight multiple cats came at me acting like I was expecting Canelo to win and was devastated by the loss lol.

    This is mental Serge, but you and I both expected Bivol to win. We didn't get sucked into the hype. We knew Canelo's limits, we knew how good Bivol was. So where's our credit? We both deserve credit for our expectations.
     
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  6. ShortRound

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    You've avoided it but it's fine.
     
  7. ShortRound

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    I hate to break it to you but the difference between 154 lbs and 152 lbs is 2 pounds, not 1 pound. When a LMW fighter is still maturing at 23 (in this case a future SMW and LHW) then cutting another couple of pounds to his lightest weight since he was 20 is going to have an effect. That's why Mayweather wanted the catchweight: to drain Canelo further and gain an advantage. It doesn't matter if Geale, Canelo or whoever rehydrate another 13 lbs as the damage has already been done. If Canelo had to cut another 3 lbs he still would have probably been 10 lbs heavier than Mayweather in the ring but he would have been completely dead in there, thus at a massive physical disadvantage.
     
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  8. shadow111

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    It's psychological and physical. You can't eat normally, you can't drink much water, you can't prepare normally because you're so focused on starving to make weight. Your body is bone dry all week, you're hungry at the press confrence, you're malnourished. Your stomach is empty, you can't eat a thing all week because you know if you do you'll gain a lb and come in at 153 or 152.5. It's a recipe for disaster to sagree to drain yourself 2 lbs below your safe, normal weight. To strain your body like that in the biggest fight of your life. Even after rehydrating and sleeping you're body is stressed from weeks of starving to keep those last 2 lbs off, so you don't have your normal concentration or your normal energy. Not only that but DLH his promoter was in rehab. Canelo put up with all kinds of psychological physical and mental disadvantages in order to fight Floyd. And he still took Floyd to his limit earning a close majority decision, and people don't even give him credit for putting up with all of Floyd's BS and doing as well as he did. It's a sad state of affairs. People calling that a schooling need to have their head examine. Maybe a schooling on how drain somebody in order to squeak out a MD.
     
  9. Pimp C

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    I didn't avoid anything. You're the one here claiming that canelo was green and drained when I disproved it.
     
  10. shadow111

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    The damage had already been done. I can't take fans seriously who don't have a basic understand of what happened. Dubblechin would have to believe that weight draining yourself for weeks to come in at an unsafe weight, starving yourself during fight week, coming in bone dry with your cheeks piercing through your skin at the weigh-in would have no effect at all as long as you're able to rehydrate fully after making weight.
     
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  11. shadow111

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    You deny he was drained. Him being "green" was a result of draining himself to 152 and agreeing to that weight. That was a "green" move to agree to be unhealthy in order to fight Floyd. To agree to a catchweight of 152 when you knew you already were having trouble making 154. Canelo should have said 154 or no fight. Then he wouldn't have been "green". Then Floyd would have been ducking him because he refused to fight him straight up at 154. Cuz he was scared of Canelo, that's why. And you know that's why, but you won't admit it because you're a big Floyd fan. It's OK Pimp. But we both know the truth. Floyd used underhanded tactics to beat Canelo, that's a fact. And even with all kinds of advantages, he still only barely squeaked out a MD.
     
  12. Dubblechin

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    NOT when he weighs 165 when the bell rings and his opponent is 36 years old and 10 pounds lighter.

    He wasn't fighting at his CUT weight. They fought 30 hours later.

    How young are you guys? Asking someone to fight at a catchweight TODAY is just a psychological. That's all. Nobody weighs that when the bell rings.

    Canelo didn't weigh 152 when the bell rang. He weighed 165!

    Did you want Floyd to fight an actual LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT for the Junior Middleweight title? Is that the only way it would've been fair?

    Having to fight a 165-pound Canelo wasn't good enough?

    It's not Sugar Ray Leonard asking the light heavyweight champion Donnie Lalonde to come in the ring seven pounds lighter than normal at 168 when the weigh-in was the SAME DAY/hours before the actual fight.
    Give me a break. :hang

    Floyd beat a 165-pound, fully refreshed Canelo. That win is even more impressive now than it was at the time, given how we've seen what a Super Middleweight Canelo can do.
     
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  13. ShortRound

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    I don't automatically assume that a 36 year old is past his prime in a particular matchup, especially a vastly experienced retirement and PED enthusiast with a highly effective defensive style. Canelo's form at 23 was poor though compared to his form at 31, which is one reason why he was a wide underdog against a 152 pounder at 23 but a massive favourite against a 175 pounder at 31.

    You're like a broken record: if you've already had to cut into dangerous territory to make weight (your lightest weight in 30 months since you were 20) it doesn't bring you back to 100% if you put most of the weight back on in a day or so. It's a psychological and physical advantage that Mayweather wanted to weaken Canelo, so that the fight would be easier. This isn't a difficult concept to grasp.
     
  14. Dubblechin

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    Oh, please, enough. The 165-pounder was STARVING. It wasn't fair for a Canelo to only be able to weigh 165 pounds for a junior middleweight title fight.

    Canelo should've been able to at least weigh 170 for a junior middleweight fight. It's just not FAIR, I tell you.
    :hang

    Sorry, I grew up watching fighters actually make weight hours before a fight on FIGHT DAY and when they stepped in the ring for a 154-pound fight, they actually weighed between 148 and 154 pounds.

    Terry Norris actually weighed 149/150 THE DAY OF THE FIGHT for junior middleweight title defenses. Fans weren't whining because Norris could only weigh 165 for his junior middleweight title defenses.

    Save all the whining for someone else. I find it laughable.

    Canelo got to enter the ring with at least a 10-pound weight advantage over Mayweather, well over that division's limit, as well as well over the NEXT division's limit.

    It didn't matter. Floyd beat him anyway.
     
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  15. ShortRound

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    If they brought back weigh ins just hours before the fight this wouldn't be an issue. But under the current rules A-side fighters are able to gain dangerous advantages by draining opponents with catchweights and rehydration clauses.