Mayweather’s schooling of Canelo vs Bivol’s

You're a relic then. Your idealism of bygone days of same day weigh-in does not relate to how boxing exists these days and has been for decades with how day before the fight weigh-ins work. How much fighters rehydrate to after making weight has become like a crutch for fans. Rehydrating a lot and outweighing an opponent on the night can be either an advantage or a detriment to a fighter. It depends on the situation, it depends on how you fight, if you rely on speed, if you clinch a lot and lean on your opponent, etc. And rehydrating does not erase the harm in struggling to make an unhealthy weight for the weigh-in.

 

It wasn't a crutch for the other Junior Middleweight Champion Canelo was fighting that night.

Save all the whining for someone else. I find it laughable.

Canelo got to enter the ring with at least a 10-pound weight advantage over Mayweather, well over that division's limit, as well as well over the NEXT division's limit.

It didn't matter. Floyd beat him anyway.

 

Lmfao! Stop! MD??? Man you don't even believe that nonsense the fight wasn't close and weight had nothing to do with it skills did. Pbf is a bad styles match up for Canelo like he is for damn near anyone else. Admit it and move friend.

 

It's not whining, it's telling it like it is. Fans in general do not like catchweights, especially in title fights and especially if a fighter is big for the weight already, and is made unhealthy by a catchweight to an unsafe weight, which Canelo clearly was. Not admitting that it was a tainted win due to the weight restrictions on Canelo is just plain dishonest. And lets be very clear that as much as people want to complain about Canelo fighting at catchweights/155 for a while, none of those situations involved a draining of an opponent, so nothing he or DLH ever did was ever as bad as what Floyd did to him, what Pac did to Cotto (And Marg) or what Cotto did to Martinez / Geale. Canelo should be praised for putting an end to the ridiculous catchweight nonsense, by vacating the belt rather than demand a catchweight for GGG, then stepping up fully to 160, beating GGG at the normal weight, then moving up to higher weights and never doing a catchweight again. Canelo is a more honest broker than Floyd, Pac, or Cotto for those reasons. And a better, more fan friendly fighter.

 

The division they fought at was 148 to 154. The division isn't 153 to 154.

Again, I don't want to hear any whining.

If a guy can't physically compete in the division where he is supposedly the champ, then he's a weight bully. Simple as that.

And the weight bully, even though he got to enter the ring at 165 on fight night, got dominated.

I find your "he was starving" comments hilarious. He wasn't "starving" when the bell rang. He just got outboxed by a better fighter.

I feel no sorrow for weight bullies.

 

So you're OK with catchweights in title fights? You're OK with fighters being drained by A-side demands?

 

If that was the case, then Floyd wouldn't have need a catchweight now would he? He needed the catchweight to weaken Canelo and tilt the playing field in his favor, because he wasn't good enough to beat Canelo in a fair fight period.

 

So a 10-pound weight advantage by Canelo wasn't a fair fight? What would've been a fair fight? If Canelo got to weigh 170 to defend his junior middleweight title?

I like Canelo MORE than I like Mayweather. I always rooted for Mayweather to lose.

But I find the argument that Canelo was somehow cheated because he only got to weigh 10 pounds MORE than Floyd the dumbest goddamn argument.

Seriously. Enough.

 

For some reason, you remain focused on how much he rehydrated to, which had nothing to do with the weigh-in itself and starving himself for weeks to make 152. The weight restrictions on Canelo had a significant effect on the night. And if you don't understand that, then you're not well versed in boxing and how weight draining can affect a fighter. For all intents and purposes, I'll consider you a boxing "noob" until you understand the effect that weight draining has on a fighter's performance.

 

If a guy can't actually step in the ring and compete in the division he claims he's the champion of, then he's not really the champion of THAT division, is he?

If he can't ACTUALLY box in that division?

Floyd could actually step in the ring and fight for and defend the junior middleweight title weighing within the junior middleweight limit.

He didn't ask Canelo to weigh 143 for a junior middleweight title fight. He asked him to weigh well within the division. I don't even consider that a catchweight. It's a fight within the division limits.

Catchweights used to be two guys fighting and neither was competing in their division. Like a welterweight and a middleweight competing at 152. That was a catchweight. That was a weight neither competed at.

Not two champions at junior middleweight actually weighing in within the junior middleweight division limits. That's WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO .

 

You don't even consider that a catchweight? LOL give me a break. The problem was, Floyd fought and beat Cotto the previous year to win the belt and Cotto was allowed to weigh up to 154. But then a year later, Canelo had to weaken himself lol. Floyd was defending the 154-lb he won the previous year against Cotto, without a catchweight. But now he needed a catchweight? Fk outta here.

 

I'm focused on the weight HE ACTUALLY FOUGHT AT.

Because THIS THREAD is talking about the actual fight. Canelo's FIGHT with Mayweather compared to Canelo's FIGHT with Bivol.

Canelo weighed 165 when HE FOUGHT Mayweather.

You ignoring what he actually weighed when they fought is why I said it seemed to have a psychological effect on some of you fans, too.

Floyd didn't step in the ring with 152 pound Canelo.

He stepped in the ring with 165 pound Canelo.

 

The catchweight sucked.

But 2 pounds aren't enough to reverse a shut out.

 

165 lb Canelo who the day before had to make 152 lbs which involved starving himself and being malnourished during fight week which drastically impaired his ability to perform on the night.

 

That's burning both ends of the candle. On the one hand, mitigating the 2 lbs then on the other hand exaggerating the margin or ease of victory. It wasn't anywhere near a shutout. 9-3, 8-4 6-6 Mayweather at 152 could easily turn into 6-6, 7-5, 8-4 Canelo at 154. A full fit Canelo at 154 flips 2-3 of the close rounds that went to Mayweather, slipping a couple more shots in some rounds, landing a few more eye catching shots in key swing rounds, easily turning that into a draw or a Canelo win with Floyd possibly getting hurt in the process. Floyd landing less clean shots, Canelo battering Floyd more, winning more rounds. That's what those 2 lbs did. The difference between a close Mayweather win and a draw or a close career-defining Canelo win.