Mayweather’s schooling of Canelo vs Bivol’s

"Malnourished. Starved. Drastically impaired" after coming in one pound under his previous fight. ONE POUND.



Meanwhile, enters the ring with a 10-pound weight advantage over his opponent.

It's not fair if Canelo can ONLY WEIGH 10 pounds MORE than Mayweather, apparently.

 

If you have such a problem with Canelo rehydrating more than 10 lbs, then it sounds like you are a fan of rehydration limits. You can't have it both ways.

 

I'm not a fan of whiners.

 

Me either. How many people whined when there was a rehydration limit for Canelo Kovalev? How many people whined about Jacobs agreeing to one against Cnaelo after Jacobs whined to the IBF about changing their rule for unifications?

My thing is, call a spade a spade. And be consistent. If you think it was unfair that Canelo outweighed Mayweather by 10 lbs, then you shouldn't have any problem with a rehydration limit for Canelo Kovalev or for Canelo Jacobs. Look what Jacobs did to GGG. He refused to adhere to the IBF's rehydration limit and had a functional advantage over GGG on the night. But GGG overcame it and won anyway. That's what great champions do. Catchweights are another thing entirely, and are far more harmful to performance than rehydration limits. You don't need to rehydrate as much if you aren't forced to make an unhealthy weight.

 

I see a pattern with the Posters saying Floyds win was better.... But just can't put my finger on it.

 

Really. Care to elaborate?

 

Nah to beat Floyd he needs to go for broke and try pressuring him Mexican Style.

But I didn't ask to debate anything with you, the Floyd v Canelo fight doesn't need to be debated.

Where you here when the two fought? If so during the rbr did you mention shoulders as much as you have tonight? Seems a bit of a weird fetish tbh.

 

I called out Kovalev fans over that, as well.

If you are a junior middleweight champ, you'd better be able to enter the ring at 154. If that's completely impossible, you have no business being a junior middleweight champ.

If you can't enter the ring at 175 to defend a light heavyweight title, then you have no business calling yourself a light heavyweight champion.

When two junior middleweight champions fight to unify, and one enters the ring as a JUNIOR MIDDLEWEIGHT and the other enters as a SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT, and the SUPER Middleweight loses, and fans of the heavier guy claim it wasn't fair because he wasn't allowed to gain EVEN MORE weight, that's a joke.

Enough whining.

Floyd Mayweather beat a Super Middleweight to unify the Junior Middleweight title.

Floyd's win is better than Bivol's.

 

So you haven't sat down and scored the fight in full yet.

OK, I think you should include that in every post you make about the Bivol fight. So people know not take you seriously when discussing anything outside of round 1.

 

Those who think taking someone's 0 is the most important thing?

 

There were 2 or 3 hard rounds to score. All of those rounds were the ones Canelo may have edges (LOL)

perhaps if you want to score it with me I'd be more than happy to debunk you

Getting hit more often ≠ Drained

Look at how much Bivol landed on Canelo compared to Plant. That doesn't automatically mean a bigger, stronger Canelo was "drained" against Bivol now does it ? (LOL)

Canelo probably got tagged and outboxed much more than usual because he was in with a better fighter compared to anyone he faced up until then, not because he was "drained"

This is one of the worst examples i have ever seen. Kambosos came over the weight limit and shed less than a pound to make weight an hour later. He had trouble with Haney because styles make fights and because Haney is a better disciplined boxer than Lopez. Kambosos isn't very good on the front foot as shown against Selby and struggled with Haneys movement and pot shotting. He minimized Kambosos's tools.

 

First of all, pot meet kettle. You're clearly "whining" that it was so unfair that Canelo rehydrated to 165 against Mayweather, while completely ignoring how "unfair" it was that the fight was held at 152-lbs for a 154-lb Unification. And that Canelo always already "big" for 154, making 154 was hard enough, agreeing to 152 was basically suicide for Canelo. I'm sorry but you're in the minority in your argument that you think not having a rehydration limit is worse than having a catchweight with a fighter actually being drained at the weigh-in giving the other fighter an advantage that way. I'm aware of functional weight advantages on the night, and how that could be an advantage, but it doesn't necessarily have to be an advantage, and for you to say that a JMW shouldn't rehydrate at all and should weigh 154 on the night or else you don't consider him a JMW Is utter lunacy. In cases in the past where you cited same day weigh-ins, you don't even have time to really rehydrate anyway, so that's a completely different situation that is not at all similar to how boxing is today and how weigh-ins have been done for decades! You're truly a relic with that kind of logic. You need to get up to date on how boxing weigh-ins are done today, and how most boxers rehydrate and put on water weight over the next 24 hours after making weight.

Floyd clearly used "not rehydrating" as an advantage throughout his career, because it allowed him to retain his speed advantage. The more weight you carry around, the slower you are, the easier you are to get hit, etc. That's why I was worried about Canelo's chances against Bivol for precisely that reason. He put on too much weight, it slowed him down, and it caused him to gas. So you acting like rehydrating a lot after making weight is somehow an unfair advantage is completely made-up nonsense. Now granted, the IBF does have a rehydration limit, so there is precedence to argue that, however, it's a very debatable aspect of boxing. Sometimes it can be advantage, but not always, and in many cases it can slow fighters down or cause them to gas. I mean, look at Jacobs, when he was forced to stay within 10 lbs he retained more of his speed, and ended up beating Derevachenko. When he refused the rehydration limit against GGG and against Canelo, he lost, he got knocked down against GGG and against Canelo he got completely schooled. So rehydrating a lot after making weight doesn't always help or give you an advantage. Especially if you're not a big puncher who relies on knockouts. The main advantages that having a functional weight advantage on the night is when you clinch a lot and lean on your opponent or if you're a massive puncher. In most cases, especially below Heavyweight, often having a weight advantage on the night is not a major advantage. Sometimes rehydrating too much and carrying too much water weight can slow you down and actually be a detriment.

 

Well it's not like I didn't watch it, it's not like I don't have a rough idea which rounds were close and which rounds Bivol won pretty clearly. I know that Canelo gassed after round 4 and aside from round 9 which was Canelo's round, the other 7 rounds from round 5 to round 12 would be hard to argue for Canelo. So I don't have any problem with scoring 5-8 & 10-12 to Bivol. So again, we're back to rounds 1-4 as the rounds that people disagree on which is where my focus is. I'm happy to take a look at 2, 3 and 4 more closely and "score them", but before I do I need to know that you're not on auto-scoring mode against Canelo. I need to know your stance on Round 1 and if it's reasonable to you as a Canelo round. Then we can go from there.

 

I'm not interested in debating the rounds with you. I just wanted to know if you'd even scored the full fight.

 

Nope, don't see the need to score it again. The reason why I haven't is because I tried to score it round by round but was met with a lot of resistance going through Round 1, timestamps, and informing people that shoulder shots could be scored. I was dealing with such delusion that "certain" posters dismissed Round 1 as even being remotely close, and basically acted like it was a clear, dominant Bivol round which is mental given how many fans scored that round for Canelo, and with 3 judges giving him that round. I'm fairly confident that Bivol won 5-8 & 10-12 but I can take another look if it's that important to you to know my score. I did think Canelo won round 9, which seems to be the consensus over the last 8 rounds.

I made it clear that I thought Bivol won the fight even if I didn't score it too closely watching it live. It just had the feeling that Bivol won, especially after Canelo gassed and faded down the stretch. The only sticking point is how the first 4 rounds should be scored, which I am interested in taking another look at, which I started to do with Round 1. If you want me to score 2, 3 and 4, and I can even go through the last 8 rounds just to be sure Bivol won 7 of those, then I'm happy to do so. But first I need to know your stance on Round 1. I'm guessing you gave that to Bivol. But is it unreasonable to you to score that round to Canelo? Answer me that and then perhaps I'll consider scoring the rest of the fight.