Mayweather, Calzaghe - why rate Mayweather higher?

Kessler wasn't unproven

He had faced some excellent fighters and fellow world champions. His resume is underrated (Anthony Mundine, Markus Beyer, Eric Lucas, Librado Andrade, Manny Siaca, Julio Cesar Green).

And adding to that, he barely dropped a round up to the Calzaghe fight, which is all the proof you need to show you he's an elite fighter. That is similar to Bernard Hopkins @ 160. Prior to facing Trinidad, he fought B/C class fighters and lost only a few rounds. I'm not saying Kessler is as good as a prime Hopkins, because he's not. But Kessler is an elite fighter and very proven amongst good competition.

 

his great wins arent from names they are from his performances which have been outstanding for years, i wasnt sayin his resume was out of this world , filled with HOF but i was saying it was filled with sum champions and 168 top 10 contenders, i personally belive that his performance against Mario Viet , who was undefeated and he took calzaghe to germany n calzaghe fought tremendous.

It just depends how u do though m8 u can hve a bad performance but still dig deep to win , u can hve a kward opponent and still dig deep to win calzaghe did these,

Why u really critise him so much , is it becuase he couldnt afford the big names over in america?

 

i have no problem with joe bing behind PBF

 

No I criticise him so much because (you won't believe it) I was actually a fan when he started out but I got fed up with his bull**** years ago.

If he'd done what Hatton did and broke with that **** Warren and actually actively chased the likes of Jones and Hopkins back in 2000-2001 instead of just claiming they were scared of him I'd have had a hell of a lot more respect for Joe but he took the easy option so many times it got impossible to defend him. It's STILL impossible to defend him as he chases 43 year old Hopkins, I just don't understand why other boxing fans don't see that. He should have, and most definately COULD HAVE unified the 168 division before he was 30 and gone on to great things but he didn't - that will hurt his legacy in the long run, regardless of what the Calzaghe fans claim. He chose to stay 'protected' and that's the biggest problem I have with him.

 

I agree m8 , I absoullty despise frank Warren imo he is worse than don king least don king put the great fights on warren has really safeguarded calzaghes 0, and dont get me wrong m8 i am a big Calzaghe fan (ma fav boxer) n argue all night why i think he is great but , i cant stand the way he was hidden away so just us english and europeans can enjoy his wins, calzaghe really needs to step his game up maybe pro long his retirent and then start chasing 3 big fights at LH , start of with hopkins , then jones then chad dawson n if he wins he will cement his legacy u agree m8?

 

who did Kessler beat compared to who hatton beat..

Hatton , Zoo , mausa , Collazo at 147 , and hatton was a 2 devision champ

Kessler , Bayer Champ in one devision ..

Hatton head is defiantly the bigger trophy ...

 

I don't agree no, fighting Hopkins and Jones at this stage are just no-win fights for Calzaghe I'm afraid. I feel he's missed the boat on getting to the level of those guys....sorry but that's the way it goes and you can only blame Warren for protecting his cash cow, and Calzaghe for standing for the bull**** - if Joe had any ambition he'd have done the honourable thing and gone for those fights when he was 29-30 like Hatton has done. Even though Hatton lost I still have a hell of a lot more respect for him than I do Calzaghe.

I must admit, Calzaghe is in a lose-lose situation in my mind right now because there's just nobody left to fight....and it's not because he's beaten them all it's just that all the guys Warren kept him away from have got too old to be credible, and the younger guys haven't earnt their credibility yet.

It's a shame because Calzaghe MAY have had a lot to offer, but he never really proved it. Call me a hater if you like but that's the way I see Calzaghes career, he talked the talk but when it came to walking the walk he decided to defend his meaningless title against McIntyre, Podwill, Biko....you name it. He's clawed a bit of credibility back I admit with the Lacy and Kessler wins but why the **** didn't he do it years ago? The division wasn't that strong in 2000 either, Lucas was one of the other champs and Kessler beat him, why didn't Joe go for that fight? I can't even remember who the other champs were at that time, was Beyer one of them? Just not very good fighters but for some reason Joe never fought them, and he should have.

 

It was all warren m8 , there have been many reasons why joe had to leave fights which he went for but such injuries , couldnt afford the other box , take an example of winky wright just like last week made a 6 million quid demmand to fight joe , he has had that all of his career, especially big fighters always made unrealistic demands for joe, many people new how much they could make from other poeple such as jermain taylor , winky wright , tito trinidad , rjj , hopkins , tarver those new they could make more money fighting other oppersition! thats boxing in 1 m8 money rules it! if ya aint got the cash ya dnt get ya fight! Joe has always had a comfort zone i admit but allmost all of his performances were at the higest level, his ability in the ring terrific , my favourite fight was against mario viet terrific fight! undefeated i think he was 168 #1 contender at the time but its a shame he couldnt get the exposure he wanted , n im positive if he won the big fights , pavlik , hopkins , rjj , Dawson , he would hve his place in tht Book!

 

Pure gold

 

Exactly :good

 

Not mention, Hatton was ranked 8th on P4P before losing to Mayweather :yep

 

No, it was 50% Warren - Warren is a **** yes but Calzaghe could have quite easily split with him like Hatton did. The only assumption we can make from this is that Calzaghe was happy and comfortable fighting ****ing AWFUL opponents whilst talking bit about Hopkins and Jones. Sorry, I'm an Englishman and should be in Joes corner but it's just ****ing IMPOSSIBLE to defend the guy on this, he ducked and ducked and ducked some more when it came to the big fights in his prime. Of course now he's talking brave about the likes of Jones and Hopkins, now they've both shown signs of wear and tear and age - and shame on Calzaghe for that.

I've said it all along and I'll say it again - prime v prime Jones, Hopkins, Toney ALL literally beat the living **** out of Calzaghe.

 

The only chance he has is to move up in weight beating the top guy at LW, then CW :yep

 

When someone makes a joke, isn't the usual response to just laugh.

I honestly don't think this needs to be argued.

 

My point exactly, and where was Kessler when he lost to Calslappy? Or Lacy? Top 20 at BEST.

Hatton is a better fighter than Calslappy purely because he has balls, Calzaghe has peanuts.