Mayweather - Castillo 1

Maybe if you provided a round by round synopsis you could stand much more firmly behind those numbers.

 

Compubox means crap.

It is inaccurate and misleading. I don't know why anyone would use it as evidence to say a fighter was robbed or whatever.

Anyway, Castillo took too long to get going IMO, and I had Mayweather ahead by a couple of points. It was a pretty entertaining fight actually. We got to see Floyd pushed harder than he ever has before, and Castillo showed again that indeed he is a very formidable fighter.

 

Ring Magazine had it scored 115-114 for Castillo, The punch stats show that Castillo had an edge in the fight, both Ring and Punch stats are the first two things that a Floyd fan will point out, when you question his status why Floyd is rated so highley they point to all the various media outlets especially Ring, when you argue a fight you felt didnt or shouldnt have gone that way they tend to point to the punch stats, its funny becuase when it comes to this fight, they dont want to talk punch stats.

 

Words of wisdom, brother.

 

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I never, ever use punchstats as evidence.

I've said it several times before, how are you going to trust a system that says Floyd landed 200+ punches against De La Hoya and said De La Hoya landed 120+ on Floyd? It also said De La Hoya landed 263 on Trinidad and Trinidad landed 166 on De La Hoya! Did you see Gatti land anywhere near 41 punches on Mayweather?

They are people sitting there watching two extremely fast professional fighters throwing shots. They're going to miss them, and usually they tend to overstate how many shots are landing.

The only time I bring Compubox up is when a Trinidiot is going overboard and I bring up the Wright-Trinidad stats just to mess with them.

 

You have got that all wrong, it is not harder to hit someone to the head, its harder to hit them to the body, you have to get on the inside and place your shots, which usally leaves you open to getting hit each time you step in, you take more risk working the body, while you can stay out at range and pot shot to the head much easier.
and if you think that 90% of Castillos shots landed to the body, I would like you to provide a source with that stat, becuase in that fight Castillo worked the ladder pretty good that night.

 

Nonsense. The punchstats are more legit than any expert counting punches on TV. Go to ringside and watch them for yourself, they know what they're doing.
For Mayweather, at best a draw.

 

Compubox means crap.

You mean to tell me that Floyd landed 200+ punches on De La Hoya? De La Hoya parried so many of Floyd's shots. Trinidad landed 166 on De La Hoya? Gatti landed 41 on Mayweather?

Watching it on TV, you have the benefit of slow-motion replays on video while the Compubox people can't do that. They have to watch two fast guys throws shots that come within a couple inches of a guy's face. People are going to make errors because it's such a difficult job.

The punchstats mean little. They're an entertaining tool and all, but it proves hardly anything.

 

Yeah, I always think of what Gil Clancy kept saying during Leonard-Hagler "the head moves, the body doesn't move".

Bodypunching is unfortunately, overlooked quite a bit, including Hagler-Leonard. Hagler could've attacked the body more but he did do his share of bodywork.

 

Oh, you were at ringside during the Mayweather/De La Hoya fight? I'm sure you were counting.
When you become a punchstats person at ringside for fights, tell me what it's like.

 

The second one was clear as day. 7-5 if you favour aggression and are biased. Personally I had it 8-3-1.

So what if he pot shotted. If his opponent can't clock what he is doing and adapt to it then he leaves with a W.

When Floyd has been troubled and allowed to sit back and pot shot he has adapted i.e. Judah and Mitchell.

 

What a load of crap.

You sound like Floyd and his "you never boxed, how do you know?" junk.

Watching the fight on tape gives the viewer an advantage that a Compubox counter does not have. They have a difficult job to see what punches actually land and to press it so quickly. If they could watch it on tape and closely analyze it and had the option of slow-motion, then the numbers would be more accurate because the job is infinitely easier.

And yeah, I closely watched it on tape and in slow-mo to see what punches actually landed. If you're watching guys like De La Hoya and Mayweather, that is often necessary because world class boxers are so fast.

Key Punches/Moments of The Fight:

Round 1-

2:30: Mayweather misses a leaping left hook, lands a right hand
2:25: Mayweather lands a leaping left hook
2:12: De La Hoya gets Mayweather on the ropes and lands some left hooks, but they are all low, or borderline low.
2:00: Mayweather lands a left jab to the face
1:35: Mayweather lands a left jab to the face
1:23: Mayweather lands a left jab to the face
0:17: De La Hoya lands a left hook to the nuts

Round 1: Mayweather

Round 2-

2:34: De La Hoya misses two jabs, misses a left hook, misses a jab, Mayweather lands a left jab to the face
2:23: De La Hoya gets Mayweather near the ropes and misses two left hooks, misses a right, and misses another left hook. Mayweather leaps in with a left hook, but it appears that it's caught by De La Hoya's right glove (tough to see from the angle)
2:05: Mayweather lands a left jab to the face, De La Hoya misses a right hand, but his follow up left hook lands and his jab lands.
0:57: Mayweather retreating to the ropes, lands a grazing right hand, then takes a right to the body as he gets off the ropes, and then eats a De La Hoya jab that snaps his head back
0:48: Mayweather lands a jab to the face

Round 2: De La Hoya

Round 3-

2:47: Mayweather near the ropes, lands a "pull-counter" over De La Hoya's jab, De La Hoya walks through it and throws some left hooks to the body. Tough to tell from the angle if it lands, but it appears a couple land under Mayweather's elbow, and a third lands on the beltline.
2:35: De La Hoya lands a straight left to the face as Mayweather gets off the ropes. Mayweather continues to retreat and De La Hoya attacks, but nothing legal lands (right to the back, low blow with a left). Mayweather lands a short right uppercut on the inside.
2:21: De La Hoya attacks Mayweather on the ropes, but nothing except a right hand to the back lands. Mayweather lands a short right hand to the body in return.
2:13: Mayweather lands a left jab to the face
1:52: Mayweather lands a short left hook to the face
1:18: Mayweather lands a left jab to the body
0:55: Mayweather lands an overhand right to the head
0:44: Mayweather lands another overhand right to the head
0:25: Mayweather lands a left jab to the face
Right before bell: Mayweather lands a leaping left hook to the head

Round 3: Mayweather

Round 4-

2:52: De La Hoya lands a left jab to the head
2:44: De La Hoya lands a left hook to the head of a retreating Mayweather. De La Hoya tries to follow up but Mayweather slips and blocks the shots while getting off the ropes.
2:26: Mayweather lands a leaping left hook to the head
2:18: Mayweather lands a left jab to the face
2:06: De La Hoya throws a combo, tough to tell from the angle if they're landing, but the final left short hook lands. Mayweather smiles and lands a left jab to the face
1:08: De La Hoya presses Mayweather to the corner, Mayweather holds De La Hoya's right hand, De La Hoya lands about eight left hooks to the body and beltline with his free hand. Lampley forgets that De La Hoya has always been a good bodypuncher and acts like it's something new for him to go to the body.
0:58: De La Hoya lands a left jab to Mayweather on the ropes, Mayweather slips the follow up right hand and blocks the left hook and avoids another right. Mayweather throws a right hand but his head is in the way so we can't see if it misses or lands. Mayweather throws a left-right, but it doesn't appear to get through De La Hoya's guard.

Round 4: De La Hoya

Round 5-

2:45: De La Hoya lands two low blow/borderline lefts, misses a left uppercut, Mayweather misses a right hook and throws a left hook (hard to tell if it lands or not), misses a right hand, left jab to the body lands, right hand to De La Hoya's head lands.
1:39: Mayweather lands a short right hand to the body and a short left hook to the body, right hand to the body hits De La Hoya in the back
1:28: Mayweather misses a left uppercut, but lands a straight right to De La Hoya's head
1:22: http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q159/babyfacedassassin202/Pretty.gif
0:48: Mayweather on the ropes, De La Hoya misses a jab, lands a right hand to the back, short left hook to the beltline, grazing left hook to Mayweather's head, Mayweather bends to the side to avoid De La Hoya's follow up, but one right hand by De La Hoya lands nicely.
0:38: Mayweather tries to sneak a right hand around De La Hoya's guard, if it lands it's only grazing, left hook lands to De La Hoya's face, straight right hand goes between De La Hoya's gloves and catches him in the face

Round 5: Mayweather

Round 6-

2:10: Maywather in the corner as De La Hoya flurries. Left, right, left, left all land around the beltline. Mayweather slips the left uppercut, right hand, left hook, and the right hand hits Mayweather in the back of his neck.
2:02: Maywether right hand lands around the top of De La Hoya's head
1:35: De La Hoya lands a left jab to the face
1:05: Mayweather bends down to his side to avoid a De La Hoya jab, then takes a solid right hand to the face from De La Hoya. Mayweather smiles and misses two shots in return.
0:54: Mayweather misses straight right hand, then lands his left hook as De La Hoya is pulling his head back
0:48: De La Hoya lands a left jab that snaps Mayweather's head back

Round 6: De La Hoya

 

Round 7-

2:34: Mayweather on the ropes, De La Hoya lands a left hook to the body, left hook to the head is blocked, straight right looks like it sneaks through Mayweather's guard and hits him in the face. De La Hoya misses a right hand, misses two left hooks, lands a right hand to Mayweather's face.
2:24: De La Hoya throws 4 straight jabs to the body, 3 of them landing around the chest of Mayweather and pushes him back into the ropes. Mayweather avoids the flurry from De La Hoya while in the corner.
1:33: De La Hoya lands left solid jab to the face that snaps Mayweather's head back.
1:29: De La Hoya lands jab to the face, not quite as solid as the previous one as Mayweather was beginning to move his head back before it landed
1:12: Mayweather misses a left uppercut, follow up straight right catches De La Hoya high on the head, but not flush. Mayweather throws two overhand rights while up close, the first misses but the second lands on De La Hoya's head.
0:54: De La Hoya misses a wild right hand, Mayweather counters with a low/borderline (?) blow with his right hand. Kenny Bayless warns Mayweather. Mayweather lands a left hook to the right side of De La Hoya's body where the black protector is, and misses a left hook upstairs.

Round 7: De La Hoya


Round 8-

2:32: Mayweather lands a left jab to the face
2:11: De La Hoya lands a jab to Mayweather's face as Mayweather goes to the ropes. De La Hoya misses a right hand and Mayweather counters with a right hand to the face. De La Hoya lands a right to Mayweather's back, a short right to the ribs, misses with the right upstairs, Mayweather a grazing left and grazing short right to De La Hoya's head.
1:44: De La Hoya lands a clean jab as Mayweather misses with the right, Mayweather responds with a right hand to De La Hoya's head.
1:34: Mayweather misses a left uppercut, follow up straight right hand lands on De La Hoya's face, Mayweather backs up and lands a left jab to De La Hoya's face.

Round 8: Mayweather

Round 9-

2:30- De La Hoya lands a jab to the face as Mayweather throws his own jab. It appears that Mayweather's jab also lands, but De La Hoya's is more authoritive.
2:15- Mayweather lands a jab to the body (borderline low, but Oscar's protector is high) and a looping right hand to De La Hoya's ear over a low left hand.
2:00- De La Hoya throws a double jab, to the body and head. Body jab appears to miss but jab to the head lands.
1:52- Mayweather misses a left uppercut and misses straight right, follow up straight right to the head lands, left hook to the head lands, right hook misses, left to the body appears blocked and straight right hand misses.
1:37- De La Hoya lands jab to the head.
1:18- De La Hoya lands jab to the head
1:10- De La Hoya gets Mayweather to the ropes and the crowd goes nuts as Oscar flurries, but none of the flurry lands.
0:53- Mayweather lands a grazing looping right hand around De La Hoya's guard
0:49- Mayweather lands jab to body and a right to the body (glove hits beltline and skin)
0:45- Mayweather lands right hand to the side of De La Hoya's head
0:25- Mayweather darts in with a straight right and lands a grazing shot to De La Hoya's head.


De La Hoya's jabs aren't enough to take the round. Making it 10-10 is rather generous to De La Hoya.

Round 9: Mayweather

Round 10-

2:30: Mayweather retreating to the ropes, De La Hoya misses a right hand, misses two left hooks, short right hand lands on Mayweather's face.
2:20: Mayweather throws a double jab to De La Hoya's face, the first comes up short but the second jab lands. Mayweather waits a couple seconds and lands another jab to De La Hoya's face.
1:54: Mayweather lands a left jab to De La Hoya's face
1:00: Mayweather lands a short right uppercut to the face on the inside.
0:26: Mayweather lands a left jab to the face.
Right before bell: Mayweather lands a counter right to the face after De La Hoya misses a right hand

Round 10: Mayweather

Round 11-

2:45: Mayweather lands a left hook to the body on the inside that appears to have De La Hoya momentarily doubled over, but on second look it might just be a balance thing as De La Hoya was moving his right foot at the time of impact.
2:31: Mayweather throws a left jab to the body, then lands a right hand to the head
2:24: Mayweather lands right hand potshot, second right hand is blocked, third right hand goes around De La Hoya's glove and appears to just graze his head, Mayweather lands a left jab to the body and another right hand to De La Hoya's head
2:02: Mayweather again uses the left jab to the body, right hand to the head combo, this time the right hand is only grazing.
1:45: Mayweather uses the left jab to the body, right hand to the head combination twice and they work both times.
1:00: Mayweather lands two pecking jabs to De La Hoya's face.
0:10: De La Hoya lands solid right hand to Mayweather's face on the ropes.

Round 11: Mayweather


Round 12-

2:38: Mayweather misses a left hook upstairs, throws left hook downstairs (unable to tell from the angle if it lands), misses right hand to the head.
2:25: Mayweather misses right hand to the head, left hand does not land, right hand to the shoulder, left jab lands to the De La Hoya's face. Mayweather lands a short straight right hand as they fall into a clinch
1:51: Mayweather lands a left jab to the face
1:46: De La Hoya throws a shoe-shine combo to Mayweather's body. Right to the back, left to the belt line, right to the ribs, left to the ribs, right to the back. After they have some distance, Mayweather lands a left jab to the face
1:23: Mayweather throws two jabs to the face, first one lands, second misses.
1:16: Mayweather lands a left jab to the body (low blow), right hand to the head lands. Mayweather backs up and throws two jabs, first misses, second one lands (barely).
0:54: Mayweather lands left jab to the face
0:45: Mayweather on the ropes, De La Hoya misses a right hand, none of his follow-up flurry visibly lands, maybe a body shot or two on the shoeshine but Kenny Bayless is in the way.
0:10: Mayweather and De La Hoya trade, only punch of note that lands is a right hand for De La Hoya.

Round 12: Mayweather

Rounds 1, 3, 5, 8-12: Mayweather
Rounds 2, 4, 6-7: De La Hoya
Mayweather 116-112


No where near 200 punches landed for Floyd or 120 for Oscar.

If you want to tell me where I missed the punches so Floyd really did land 200+ and Oscar landing 120+, let me know.

 

I scored it as a draw