Mayweather & Current Legacy

Mayweather is a terrific fighter, but almost any modern day fighter is going to come up short in the thickness of resume department compared to fighters in the past like Robinson and Armstrong who fought so much more often.

What I would like to do is compare Mayweather to the other top fighters in recent years, among this era. Mayweather's opposition level, while solid, could've been better in the last few years. He's got to do more before establishing himself as the best of this era, rather than being one of the top ones. The p4p thing, not beating too many top 10 guys, well, I don't really hold that against him. Going by The Ring's top 10 p4p lists, DLH only beat one top 10 p4p guy, and that was a controversial decision over Whitaker. Tito only beat one, and that was controversial (Oscar). Mayweather has beaten one and maybe will have two on Saturday. As for Hatton moving up, well, Hatton did more are 147 (winning close decision over top 5 WW after moving up on short notice) than guys like say, Nelson @ 135 or Chavez @ 147. Sure, Hatton isn't an ATG like those two, but he also will likely enter the ring on Saturday as the heavier man, which I doubt Nelson and Chavez were over Whitaker. Oscar made a whole habit out of having guys move up to face him...this is Floyd's 2nd time doing so.

 

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Quartey was a top 10 P4P fighter, the bottom half.

 

In reality, he probably was deserving (in terms of skills/talent/ability).

But I'm talking about the official p4p lists from The Ring.

Personally I think way too much is made out of this mythical stuff.

 

1. So What? Mayweather put a chalenge down when he was at 135 'anyone up to 147' and he moved to 154 to egt delahoya.

2. Yes and Mayweather peaked at 130, hes now at 147 - thats like Duran at 154. Mayweather is far more dominant at 147 than Duran was at 154. Remember Duran got whooped by Hearns, Benitez and Laing at 154

3. Leonard fought the best but he missed many of the elite top fighters and avoided the Hearns rematch, Pryor and so on......

4. Overall SRR and Armstrong ducked the black dynamite crew. How many top10 P4P fighters did SRR and Armstrong face off with? Well they didn't fight Charles, Burley, Moore etc etc

5. Who says Delahoya was further past his prime against PBF than Whitaker was against Delahoya? Delahoya had 1 of his best career performances 10 months earlier so thats not the best argument. If you're going to take Sturn away from Delahoya do you give him Mosley 2?

6. NO NO NO Delahoya fought Carr instead of Quartey. Quartey easily won 9 rounds against Delahoya EASILY. Remember when Mayweather had a similar time when he had a close fight with Castillo? Did he duck Castillo or rematch him?

7. Yes and against the best Trinidad got whooped. Who did Trinidad ever beat who was P4P excluding the Delahoya gift?

8. Mosley has excellent comp but hes lost 5 times since 2002.

I don't hold this career management against these fighters that much but the double standards and rose tinted glasses need to be shown up for what they are

 

1. Which P4P fighter did you want him to face since 2002?????? Tyszu - unavailable. Hatton - turned him down. Cotto-turned him down and only recently P4P. Spinks - lost, Judah - lost and beat him There was no P4P fighters from 140-147 other than Floyd and Hatton and Hatton kept turning him down

1a) How many P4P fighters did SRR and Armstrong face?

1b) We can agree Burley was a legend.

3) If you were PBF in 2005 and Hatton and Cotto had turned you down at 140 and you had the P4P Judah at 147, isnt P4P Judah the best fight to make? Its not Mayweathers fault Judah underestimated Baldomir and lost.

I think your being unfair underestimating the Judah win. Judah showed his best against Mayweather and did pretty well early on.

4) I think your looking at 2002-2005 too much when there were no big fights to make. 2006 and 2007 have been excellent comp Judah, Baldomir, Delahoya, Hatton. 4 Linear Champs back to back.

5) Well yes but Hatton-Mayweather is historical because they were 1 and 2 at 140lbs. Hatton is bigger than Mayweather, its testiment that to Mayweather he has beaten the top 147 and 154lbers while essentially been smaller than many lightweights.

I actually think a well prepared Hatton is a serious danger to Floyd. Then again as a PBF fan I was worried about the problems Mitchell, Judah and DLH would present. (No I wasn't worried about Baldomir stylistically but Baldomir is very underrated)

6. Hatton's father stated they had turned down Mayweathers talks of the fights 5 times from 2004-2006. Mayweather wanted his first fight at 140 to be Hatton instead of Corley, he wanted Hatton in November 2005 instead of Mitchell, he wanted Hatton to fill in for Judah when Judah lost in 2006.

It wouldnt have been a big fight back in 2004 but it may have happened.

This is public knowledge I don't need to show press releases but start a thread on the general forum asking about it and you'll get the info.

Arrum himself said Cotto wasn't ready for PBF at 140 - again this is public knowledge. I'm nto going diggin for the articles but its there if you want to find it

 

Mayweather and Hatton both offered fights to Tyszu, Tyszu took the bigger money from Hatton, the rest is history

Are you claiming Mayweather is would make the same mistakes as Judah and Mitchell against Tyszu?

 

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4. Yes I always get the black dynamite and the the black murders row mixed up. I think I'll start calling them both the ducked black murderers dynamite row

1. I wasn't being completely Anti-Armstrong I was trying to demonstrate that Mayweather may not have fought all the best fighters around his weight but most fighters in history didnt including SRR and Armstrong.

I also think that Armstrong despite being an excellent fighters gets a little overrated at welterweight as his comp wasn't devastating.

2. How do Delahoya, Hatton, Judah, Castillo, Corrales, Genaro Hernadez, Chavez, Gatti compare to Ambers, Ross, Zivic, Sarron or the like of Gavilan, LaMotta, Basilio, Fullmer, Turpin & Graziano??????? Is there that many degrees of seperation?

3. Yes Tyszu was very good but I think a 170lb Delahoya with his skills and defense was a tougher fight than a 35yo Tyszu - agree or disagree? Delahoya ko'd some joint opponents quicker

 

no offense but this is not true. Armstrong made 19 title defenses at welterweight. Besides If Pretty boy was fighting 30 times a year then he could lose to Zivc or Ambers (do u know what a dirty player Zivic was)

 

Most think he beat Tito though. And I'd definitely say Tito is a better welterweight (and fighter per se) than Ricky Hatton.

It's one thing moving up and facing Luis Collazo and its another thing moving up and facing Pernell Whtiaker. What if Hatton had to move up and face Pernell Whitaker? We can almost say with certainty he would have been moving back down to 140 with his tail between his legs. And probably in more embarassing fashion than Nelson or Chavez did to their respective divisions.

 

Most of Armstrong defenses were journeymen, so while 20 defenses sounds impressive its not 20 quality fights, most of them were easy pickings.