Mayweather Gets Hit More Than Manny?

You shouldn't say **** man. You actually said: "Manny should use his left like a jab...." I let that slide when I saw it and decided not to totally clown you about it, but I will now.

Just stop talking. Anybody who says that idiotic nonsense about using the rear hand like the lead hand doesn't know jack about boxing. That definitely means you.

Yes, Maidana is a tough match for Pacquiao. Deal with it. Pacquiao's competition at 147 is full of holes. The man has fought a slew of unranked opposition, and has only fought 2 men coming off a win at 147 in 10 fights. (Cotto was at a catchweight, and Bradley. That's it!)

Just sit down clown. Keep talking about how Pac is going to use his "left hand like a jab..." :nut

 

Barely got by JMM? He won comfortably atsch

 

115-113, 115-113, 116-112 - Official Scores - That's a close fight. 2 Judges saw it 1 round from a draw. atsch

My scorecard was also 115-113 for Bradley. That isn't "comfortable." He's lucky JMM was 40 is what that is. Did you even watch that fight? If I recall, JMM landed more power shots. Bradley barely won that fight on his jab, speed, and youth. Hardly comfortable. If not for the age disparity, he loses. That much was obvious.

By the way: Bradley's win over Marquez is his only legitimate win against anybody at 147 who has actually won a fight at 147 since "moving up to welter." Bradley doesn't have a win over anybody under the age of 40, or not named Marquez, who has actually won a fight at 147 since moving up from 140. (No, his win over Pacquiao isn't 'legitimate')

Bradley's 147 resume since moving from 140:

Manny Pacquiao - Loss (loss and blatant robbery. Manny won that fight)
Provo - Win (Provo campaigns at 140 pounds.)
Marquez - Win (Marquez's only win at 147 at the time was his KO of Manny)
Manny Pacquiao - Loss (loss)
Diego Chaves - SD (Split Draw)

Bradley's accomplishments at 147 include a win over a 40 year old boxer, and going to war with a 140 pound gate keeper. Not sold on Bradley at 147... not at all.

 

One of the legends or common opponents said the same thing abot mannys left being used as a jab. I forgot which one though. I'm not sure abuffy is using that as her own statement or building on that the same thing I read. It does sound a little superfluous, but when you read it in context from the fighter who said it, it made sense.

 

You can talk about the angle of the punch and all that, but you can't "use" the rear hand "like a jab" in the general sense. You can do far more with your lead hand, than you can with the rear hand and get away with it. If you try the same thing with the rear hand as you would the lead hand, in many instances, you will get punched. Yea yea, people will "lead" with the rear hand and punch. Great... but it's still setup by a feint/deception that stems from the front hand. You can't just throw it stupidly, unless again, you like being punched in the face.

The rear hand is also important for defensive purposes. It's just not a legitimate thing to say it can be "used like a jab." It's not a jab... and a jab is a very versatile punch. It's the most effective punch in boxing. It sets everything up. Just IMO.

 

I noticed that Pacquiao lacks an inside game.

 

no, i think Canelo > Algieri but not by much. I definitely think Bradley > Canelo though.

I made the comparison with Algieri to show that having a good record isn't everything, as everyone knows. Canelo had an impressive 40-0 but who da f did he beat along the way? 40+ year old Mosely? HE then faces Floyd and looks pedestrian and it just wasn't because floyd was so good. He then faces Lara, barely gets by. As soon as the guy is put in the ring with the top boxers, he looks average.

algieri is similar...

 

You can take a little bit of steam off the rear hand shot and not commit to it so much in order to attempt to speed it up and increase the chance of it making contact. In that sense, the rear hand can be used as a range finder, much like the jab.

But it's not thrown from the same position and sets up a different variety of punches that follow. So, yeah, not quite the same thing.

 

Thank you! I've been saying forever that his welterweight run is garbage. Good resume, poor victories.

 

You get what I'm saying man. :good

 

Got you, can't argue with that. But Canelo looks poor against boxers with the style of Trout, Mayweather, and Lara. Because he's flat footed.

 

No matter what level of opposition is..... Floyd is supposed to be the Boxing Genius of "Hit and not get Hit" LOLOLOL

 

barely got past Lara... barely. got doped by Floyd. He did beat Auston Trout, oh my...

if you noticed, the Trout bout had controversy. The showtime crew was taken aback by the scorecards. Bernstein had it 114-114, Farhood 114-113 and Malignaggi 114-113. The official scores were met with anger as they seems way out of reality. So, even the Trout win was seen by many, as Canelo barely edging him. But fine, this is 1 good win and then a struggle vs Lara. Point being, Canelo has proved to be a good fighter but people talk of him as if he's f the next P4P great; it's overhype mania, really.