Mayweather is a changed man and an inspiration

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  1. Miguel

    Miguel Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Like I said, if Mayweather fights Canelo there is no one who can deny Floyd credit :D
     
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  2. Emeritus

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    Most people who criticise Floyds behaviour have only recently started following him but of ourse wont admit that. The early part of his career he was very humble but as I have said before he struggled to gain popularity so he understood early that controversy sells and he became "the bad guy"

    Guys on ESB get too emotional where Floyd is concerned all the crazy antics are done to promote the fight but after the fight he always ALWAYS says complimentary things about his opponents and many admit they actually like him and he's nothing like what he is portrayed as.

    I don't know whether prison has changed him or not and while I like some trash talk and needle in the build up to the fight I was pleased to see him keeping his father in check on several occasions - which he will get zero credit for from the media.

    I'm not a fan of role models personally, I don't look up to any person like that because no one is perfect and if my life was under the microscope like Floyds I'm sure Id look a dick at times just like most of us would be few would care to admit
     
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  3. Miguel

    Miguel Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I've been following Floyd and boxing for some time personally, watched him very closely in his early career - like many people, once the money and power came (post DLH) he believed his own hype and seemed to get more and more paranoid and insecure and therefore defensive and full of sh*t at times. Fame and power changes people - perhaps with age and some life lessons he's mellowing
     
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  4. Emeritus

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    Mayweather was rich before DLH in any case it's easy to criticise another persons life when no one is looking at yours.

    I'm sure Floyd has done plenty of shitty things but he is hardly the devil and when it's all said and done who hasn't?

    He has alot of flaws, he is guarded when he answers questions he can be overly sensitive too but maybe if we were criticised in a similar way we would be too who knows

    In my opinion he is a dope boxer and that's all that matters to me, but I understand not everyone shares my opinion and that's ok
     
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  5. Miguel

    Miguel Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I said "Fame and power" - completely different to "being rich"

    I've never said Floyd isn't a great boxer, that's why he's relevant and why we talk about him - this thread was about his behaviour. I'm saying he's grown up a bit on evidence of this fight, that's all
     
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  6. Emeritus

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    You actually said money and power! That's why I mentioned being rich.

    I'm speaking generally, not to you specifically. I genuinely think I have a valid point if it was anyone else they wouldn't be critisized like Floyd.

    Everyone deserves some criticism but we go over board with him.
     
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  7. banny

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    Pacquiao gets just as much **** as Floyd and he is the opposite side of the coin, so no one is immune to get **** from the fans!
     
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  8. Foxy 01

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    It really pisses me off when people say that athletes, or any other kind of entertainers are, or should be role models. Apart from the fact that for everyone who makes it to the top there are thousands who fail, most of them are only good at the one thing they do, and tend to be pretty stupid where anything else is concerned. Role models should be people like doctors, or anyone else that does good for their communities, or in fact their country, or perhaps even the world in general. Not some highly paid sports person, actor, musician, or whatever.

    Its becoming all too easy for the media to encourage people to kop out, and set up these people as false role models, rather than encourage their kids to work hard at school, and college to gain a degree and a useful, and attainable career.

    Does anyone seriously think someone like Barak Obama, tells his kids to try and be like a fighter, or actor, musician whatever, or is it more likely he tells them to study hard, and try to get a well paid wothwhile profession?
     
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  9. Emeritus

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    That isn't true at all! Ofcourse he gets some stick but very very little by comparison.

    I basically agree with you, no one should be looking to Floyd as a role model he is a boxer....when he does something stupid everyone gets their panties in a bunch saying oh he is a terrible role model.

    Well not really, it's just most people are idiots and instead of looking in the mirror or teaching their kids right from wrong and how to think and make decisions for themselves, they want the easy route and want to "follow" what someone successful did/does.

    Its ridiculous and lame.....I'm not teaching my son to follow anyone....he has his own mind he needs to use it and understand no one is perfect so we all do dumb **** no matter what we like to think!
     
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  10. banny

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    Sorry I do not agree, the **** he gets on here is pretty full on from floyd and marquez fans in particular :deal
     
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  11. turbotime

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    Nice post Dece. There is a reason everyone in the current boxing community respects him so much.
     
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  12. Miguel

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    :D Fair enough, I said "fame and power" later in same post, but you get my meaning

    No chance...Pacquiao gets butchered on here by many
     
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  13. Emeritus

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    Well I'm actually referring to the media more than ESB and the reality is Manny has done stupid things too and these are rarely mentioned.

    In terms of boxing I think the silence is even more apparent due to his "perceived" good guy image....But we can agree to disagree.
     
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  14. Dece Bal

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    It is unlikely that Obama's kids are talented, hungry and dedicated enough to make it at the highest level in any walk of life, so it makes sense for Obama to advise his kids to go for a middle of the road, well-payed, safe and solid career path.

    I agree with you that very few people have it in them to become a successful sports, acting or music star, not least since luck plays a huge role, and parents should keep their children's feet on the ground when advising them.

    However, I disagree with you that athletes couldn't be role models or that they don't naturally make good role models - moral role models, that is, and briefly, here is why.

    A person with a strong moral sense and purpose, in its most caricatured sense of the term, is someone who chooses the right option even when it's hard to do so. Before you can even do the right thing, you need to know what the right thing is.

    Athletes are very well placed to have a strong moral sense and purpose because they are more likely to know what the right thing is and because they are more likely to be able to do the right thing even when it's tough. Why?

    Firstly, they are more likely to know what the right thing is because they work/compete/fight within a very strict set of rules from a very young age. They have to make split second decisions under a lot of pressure and they have to make the right decision within the rules of the game. Because they do this so often for so long, their sense of what is the right decision becomes very sharp.

    Secondly, they are more likely to be able to do the right thing even when it's hard because they are trained to always improve, to never give up, to always excel, to always improve their performance, to always train hard, to always watch what they eat, when they go to bed, etc.

    When you think of someone who is hard-working, dedicated, disciplined, someone who sacrifices many things to improve themselves/their performance, someone who is in control... you often think of athletes.

    When you think of people who won/succeeded against the odds, who came back from the brink of defeat because they didn't give up, because they made the most out of every opportunity available to them... you often think of athletes.

    When you think of people with high self-esteem, who are proud, who set very high standards for themselves, who set realistic goals and achieve them again and again, who make the impossible seem possible... you often think of athletes.

    All of these are moral qualities.

    It is not for nothing that sports are considered such an important part of education at elite schools.

    Great warriors became the leaders of their tribes/communities back in the day - they had the moral sense and the moral strength to lay down laws and to enforce them. Great athletes are the great warriors of our time.

    The reason why some people sometimes think athletes don't make great role models is because their own conception of morality is an unhealthy one, imo.

    Athletes make great role models particularly because their moral performances are so visible and so touching. When a fighter shows great heart in the ring, it's plain to see and very touching. We don't get to see a surgeon show great heart in an operation that goes horribly wrong though.

    The most talented fighters don't always become great. Why? Because they don't have the moral qualities required to make the most of their talent. Sometimes, fighters much less talented than themselves do a lot better because they have these great moral qualities in abundance.

    When the going gets really tough, you cannot do the right thing if you don't have will-power, if you aren't self-disciplined/self-mastery over your emotions and passions, composed, fit, strong, if you don't have high self-esteem and a strong sense of what it is you want and what it is you stand for. Great athletes are better placed than almost everyone to do the right thing when it's getting tough.
     
    Dece Bal, May 9, 2013
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  15. mishima

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    should he be respected if he takes a fight with Khan?
     
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