As a matter of fact, it's hard to even point out any prime win for Manny Pacquiao. All of his fights are either catchweights, over the hill fighters or fighters that were just... no good at all and did nothing after his victory. When has he ever beaten a true primed fighter?! This is why I say he's one of the most overrated fighters in boxing history. If he fought in any other era, he'd be cannon fodder for the better fighters.
Well, I don't want to revisit this argument lol. Only want to say that at the time Mayweather was on top and Pac was a rising bulldozer. Instead of defending like a champ he put in a new clause (not existing before) to hamper the fight. I don't think it's Pac fault to say No. Had it happenned circa 2011, that would be one for the ages. Floyd might still probably won but Pac was running so hot that he could summon the Montreal's ghost in Duran. That Pac for Floyd would be like Foreman to Ali, Hearns to Leonard, Tito to Oscar. But he let the opportunity slipped away. Floyd is still an ATG, he could have been Mount Rushmore type ATG.
You say you don't want to revisit it, but you bring it up (When it's been debunked multiple times). It's not his fault to say no, but then why did he say yes 4-5 years later? LOL. There was something shady afoot and you know it too. There's plenty of evidence of drug use. Would you fight a drug cheat?! Even Roach admitted they walked away in 2010
Dear Lord, Mayweather has more substance abuse allegations than Pac. But my whole point is May didn't stamp his greatness when he needed the most. It would be like Frazier tries to avoid Foreman because he's too scary, but no, he fought him twice, hauled his body from the canvas multiple times and never quit. Frazier is more of a champ than Floyd.
Mayweather has none, people randomly trying to make something out of nothing (The IV story) isn't evidence lol How do you stamp your greatness against a team that walked away from negotiations when it was 50-50. He's also more of a champ than Pacquiao, who ran away from negotiations!
I mostly disliked him because he's just a garbage human being. Obviously he was a brilliant defensive counter puncher.
Oh here we go again. Pac went away because May team demand something new. When you demand something new that is not in the rule, the participating team can veto it. That's the gist of it. All the other stuff is nonsensical. I'm comparing Floyd to Frazier not Floyd to Pac. Stop with your obsession lol.
The same demand he said yes to years later. He said needles weakened to a point where he can't fight,.. what happened a few years later? Those needles didn't weaken him anymore? It's just that you felt the need to pedal revisionist history
Frazier never stopped coming. No fear 9r quit in him. True ATG. Took the fight to Ali and decided he was going to walk through hell to land his hooks. Total legend. True FIGHTER.
See, for newbies this thread is completely lacking its contemporaneous context. Before this point I was as salty a PBF hater as the next guy. I kept rooting for one guy after the other (including a handful of my favorite boxers of not just that period but all time) to decapitate him, and kept begrudgingly admitting his skill while remaining in denial, extolling the chances of the next great hope with the requisite tools or stylistic formula to grant us all the in-ring humbling we desperately wanted to see. This moment in time, 8 years ago, is about when the dam burst and I was able to ascent to a plane of maturity that most of Mayweather's haters, wrapped up as they are in their emotions and personal convictions about what a dink Floyd is outside the ring, or how far removed from some gladiatorial Arturo Gatti type of blood and guts warrior he is within - simply never can reach. There comes a point you need to lay down your arms, dim out your torches, stick the pitchfork back in the bale of hay whence it came, and just recognize greatness...and be realistic about the fact that it won't be necessarily manifested in somebody with personality traits or even a fighting temperament you'd like to see in a boxing idol.
Pac popularity has taken a huge dive with losses. He's no longer the Co-A side. Plus he needed the money to fund his electoral run. So he conceded. Floyd cannot make Pac to concede in 2011. That's a fact, both are pulling 1M ppv with random bodies. It's a testament of how superb Pac is to pull a record breaking number in 2015. The credit goes more to Pac than it is to May.