Mayweather is overrated

Watch from round 4 on, he stood right in front of Bruseles and beat his ass.

You clearly didn't watch that fight or are confusing it with a different fight.

My whole point was that he continued to fight with a damaged hand, something that every fighter is not willing to do. I don't know how you can say Clottey is tough and Mayweather isn't when Mayweather will fight through injuries and Clottey won't

I'm getting the strong feeling that haven't watched any of these fights.

You said before he wasn't tough, don't try to deny it. That's what I argued against. Never once did I argue that he was tougher than Gatti or Hatton(although he may very well be tougher than them)

Lesser fighters have to show more toughness because they face more adversity through their lack of talent. You know what, this is useless. I have no idea what your point is anymore, and you seem to just be making **** up at random.

 

wow guy, hate much?

 

trash

 

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He outboxed him decisively, but he was not exactly standing their and bang away at Bruseles trying to get him outta there once he got him under was he?
Watch from round 4 on, he stood right in front of Bruseles and beat his ass.

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If he was being so aggressive against Corley then why was the fight so boring to watch?
You clearly didn't watch that fight or are confusing it with a different fight.

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Mayweather is more skilled than Clottey. Clottey is not capable of boxing one handed. do you honestly think he is tougher than Clottey too, jeez.
My whole point was that he continued to fight with a damaged hand, something that every fighter is not willing to do. I don't know how you can say Clottey is tough and Mayweather isn't when Mayweather will fight through injuries and Clottey won't

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He brawled with N'Douatsch he just counterd him same as he did to Bruseles . BTW N'dou is who again?
I'm getting the strong feeling that haven't watched any of these fights.

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I said he is not tougher than Gatti and Hatton dont twist what im saying.
You said before he wasn't tough, don't try to deny it. That's what I argued against. Never once did I argue that he was tougher than Gatti or Hatton(although he may very well be tougher than them)

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Ive already said Mayweather must have a degree of toughness, because he is a pro fighter, but his toughness is not one of his credentials worth pointing out, because i can give you lots of evidence of lesser fighters who have shown more toughness thoughout their career than Floyd
Lesser fighters have to show more toughness because they face more adversity through their lack of talent. You know what, this is useless. I have no idea what your point is anymore, and you seem to just be making **** up at random.


Ive seen

Mayweather vs Gerena,C Hernandez,Jesus Chavez,DLH,Hatton,Judah,Baldy,Mitchell,Gatti,Corley,Sosa,N dou, Castillo 1/2,Corrales, Burton,Jukko,Manfredy,G Hernandez

Im just not a fanboy like you. Corley vs Mayweather was not exciting from what i remember its been a while since i saw it, but its not a fight i thought was particularly entertaining. I thought Floyd was aggressive against Mitchell.

Against Gerena he boxed superb against G Hernandez he had too much speed. He beat Burton from inside and outside. He beat Castillo both times imo. Corrales weight drained and was upo and down like a yo yo and never used the jab. Manfredy pinned on ropes, debatable stoppage. Sosa gave Floyd more trouble than he should of (Cotto hammered him). Baldy just boring run forrest run. Jesus Chavez not allowed to fight in the pocket, because of Chavez activity so he went on the outside came back at Chavez when he tired. N' Dou counterd the crap out, because he just aint very good. C Hernandez he took a volentary knee, because he broke his hand early in the fight trying to impress his home fans.

How is that?

I said Floyd is not tough in reference to the fact its not something you would bring up to describe him as a fighter. As one of the posters on here actually did! and that is the comment i was replying too. Why else would i say "every pro fighter has a degree of toughness but Floyds is not worth takling about, because its not like he is exceptionally tough. go back a few pages there is not back tracking here.

You accuse me of not seeing the fight, but you tried to make out Floyd did not take a knee against C Hernandez i could say the same thing to you, because Floyd went down of his own accordatsch

 

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Sorry but this is just garbage

 

I disagree. I rank him below Jones and Hopkins, but I rank him above Toney - and I'm a big Toney fan.

Recently, I have been re-evaluating Floyd Mayweather and his career.

I think he was a very special fighter at superfeatherweight, I even think he could beat Julio Cesar Chavez there, I rate him as one of the top two ever at 130lbs along with the great Alexis Arguello. His win over Corrales was one of the most clinical displays of brilliance of the decade. The guy has all the skills necessary to be justifiably called an ATG/elite boxer IMO.

I think he lost to Castillo the first, but beat him the second - and, crucially, Mayweather's win was clearer and more convincing. I am not one of these immature new-age fanboys who places too much emphasis and importance on a zero. So he lost to Castillo, so what. Mayweather was young, had just moved up a division, and Castillo was a very very good lightweight. He got revenge by clearly beating Castillo, so for me, that loss is not a huge black mark against him.

However, I do agree with the thread-starter about Mayweather's retirement and longevity. I think this has a huge impact on his all-time standing.

I recently posted my all-time top 100. I had Sugar Ray Leonard around 14th I think. Do I think SRL is only the 14th most skilled/talented boxer ever?? No way. For me he is right up there with guys like Robinson, Armstrong and Duran as one of the absolute elite, cream of the cream, I view him as one of the top two or three in all of history. But viewing someone in terms of ability is not the same as viewing them in terms of overall greatness, of pound-for-pound career quality. Leonard slides to 14, into my 'second tier' purely because of longevity and because his resume is so shallow. A 40-fight career. After his 4 big wins (Duran,Hearns,Benitez,past-prime Hagler), there is not much of any real value. These may be some of the best wins in history, and he may have been one of the best boxers in history, but there is not enough substance to justify naming Leonard as one of the top level elite, alongside guys like Robinson, Greb, Langford, Armstrong and Ezzard Charles, who went to the well again and again and again against the very best opposition around for years and years and years.


I have to apply the same thinking when it comes to Floyd Mayweather. Consider the substance of his career.

Despite all his ability at 130 (I don't think he ever demonstrated the same ability as effectively above this weight despite some stellar performances), he had a 39-fight career.

His best wins are Corrales (as I have said, superb win & performance), Castillo II (also excellent), and... a past-prime De La Hoya? a Hatton who found 147 difficult even against Collazo? Zab 'Big Fight Loser' Judah?

I know the Floyd fans will hate me for saying it, but this is not an ATG resume - even allowing for the times in which he was fighting.

It is not as good a resume as Hopkins's or Jones's or Toney's or Pacquiao's or De La Hoya's or Barrera's or Morales's. It is better than Mosley's or Calzaghe's, but still, it is not an ATG resume by any standard.

I think this is a little harsh though.

To say another referee would have made a difference v Hatton is stupid. A rematch would be stupid. Mayweather is simply a cut above Ricky and always will be IMO. And I don't think he can be blamed for not fighting Cotto, as for all we know that fight could have been on the cards for this year but Cotto lost to Margarito.

Had Floyd fought Tszyu at 140 before Hatton did, and fought Mosley and Williams and Margarito, his historical standing would be vastly improved, as I think he would've beaten them all.

But like Leonard (who would most likely have beaten Pryor in the early 80s and McCallum in the mid 80s etc etc), Floyd suffers from not doing what he could have done, and should have done.


So, although I don't think he is overrated in terms of ability (except by silly fanboys, of which there are a few on this forum), I do think he is generally overrated with regard to his overall career and his historical standing.

In 30-40 years, will people still remember how skilled he was, or will they look at a 39-fight career with the only two great wins being Corrales and Castillo I, and say his res is too thin to justify ATG status?

I fear it may be the latter. Which is a shame. Great talent.

:bbb

 

atschi donk t thinks so

 

Funny you mention James Toney there. What has James Toney done exactly?, the only major win you can brag about when it comes to James Toney is the Jirov win, anything else to mention there apart from being a complete disgrace and a joke at heavyweight?

 

And Mayweather started at 130 all the way to 154 yet he's overrated but Toney is supernatural.

 

Floyd is a *****, a wanker and out of the ring, is thick as **** with no wit and comes across as a bit of a cretin but inside the rind, he is one of the most intelligent fighters you will see.

Floyd, P4P could hold his own against any of your P4P top 5.

****ing hate him though!!

You just have to watch him. that is when boxing becomes and artform. I wouldn't go out of my way to watch him though.


Ohhhh how contrary!

 

How could you have scored the second fight for Castillo?