MAYWEATHER is probably TBE (from a Pacman fan)

Yes it is easier of course it is what are you a moron? It's harder to become a world champion with only 1 belt out there than 4 that's common sense. Secondly Yes you can take points off someone with an unbeaten record, it's who you beat that counts, FFS Marciano is undefeated is he better then Ali, Holmes, Louis, Lewis, Holyfield, Foreman, Frazier ect Undefeated doesn't mean **** you can fight **** and remain undefeated it doesn't matter.

 

Canelo was undefeated 42-0 when Floyd beat him. Iran Barkley was 25-4. Do you not look at their records?

 

That's not necessarily true. If there are less fighters out there then the talent pool isn't as wide which would mean it's easier. It's more about how many talented fighters exist in the era and how many of your era you beat than the belts.

In an era with less fighters and only belt or an era with x10 as many fighters and multiple belts, it's just as hard to become a champion because you have to go through the same level of competition.

This is at least a fair debate now. You can argue Floyd was in a particularly weak era but I don't think his era was weak. I think he just didn't make the best fights he could have made in a particularly strong era.

He eventually did fight guys like Canelo, Cotto, Marquez, but you could make the argument that he didn't fight them when he should have or as many times as he could have.

 

Yes it is true moron do you think the likes of Berto, Ortiz, Gurrero, Baldomir, Brussels would ever be champions if it wasn't for 4 belts. Yes and Floyd didn't beat the best from his era the best from his era was Pacquiao who he didn't fight.

 

Champions mean nothing nowadays with all these bs belts. The fact that Maidana was a champ is laughable. Look at Armstrong who held three belts simultaneously when there were only eight. That is a real accomplishment.

 

Or Margarito, Williams, Prime Cotto, Prime Mosley, Morales Barrera

 

I care about their records, I'm saying flat out if Barkley and Canelo fought Barkley would knock him out. And if I'm not mistaken Canelo was a light middleweight and Barkley was a real middleweight. You don't think that matters? Canelo was 5'7" and Barkley was 6'1" and had a very powerful punch and a great jab.

Honestly, you really need to watch the Duran -Barkley fight before going any further because you're coming across as someone with extremely limited knowledge. It would be hard for me to believe anyone who saw that fight could think that Canelo, Maidana or Floyd would have won that fight.

You and may other Floyd fans focus way to much on fighters records without considering the quality of opposition they fought.

 

Or Tszyu or Prime ODLH or Martinez. Seriously how can you consider Floyd one of the best ever no other true great could you name that number of fighters that were avoided by them.

 

Exactly:good

 

They might have been champions. Do you think whoever was the champion would have remain undefeated and beat all those guys if there was only one belt?

The math doesn't change. If the talent level is high and there are more fighters it is a lot harder to stay a champion. So if there is only one belt then you'll see a bunch of guys passing it around like hot potatoes.

You could argue that SRR lost his fights because there was only one belt but he that is why I say look at wining percentage. If he never lost a fight then he has 100% winning rate and no one beat him no matter they fought for a belt or not.

So Floyd probably still would be undefeated even in that era because no one has beaten him yet to show that he is a fighter who can lose and he has beaten most of the talented fighters of our era.

I do agree with you on this important point though, if there were only one belt we would have seen Floyd fight Pacquiao, Williams, Bradley, and I don't actually believe Floyd would be undefeated if he had to fight those three guys in their prime. But even if he were to lose to all those guys he still could have been 50-3 if he won all the other fights.

He would still have a SRR like record in my opinion even if he couldn't duck anyone but I don't think he would have a perfect record. He's good enough in my opinion that even guys who might have beaten him, he would probably win the rematch.

 

How can he have a SRR like record when SRR won 173 fights. Do you just forget about 120 of the fights he won just so he equals Floyd. I don't understand your logic.

 

Let's be real here, Mayweather didn't avoid all those fighters listed by you and the other poster. Maybe Williams and that's it.

 

If you're talking H2H then everything changes but we are talking about records, statistics and legacy. H2H I don't think anyone in history would beat RJJ at certain weights, or beat SRR or Floyd at certain weights.

But that doesn't mean that every fighter is going to be in their prime all the time. Hopkins isn't in his prime but continues to improve his legacy. Floyd is on the slide but still close enough to prime to have never lost. Paul Williams H2H would probably beat a lot of the ATGs in history but he doesn't have the record to show that.

Ultimately Floyd has the record on his side, the statistics on his side, and if he keeps winning it will favor him even more because he can say he did it at increasingly older ages. It's not common for a guy to be almost 40 and undefeated and the great Roy Jones Jr was dominant but even he lost in some kind of fluke fight to Griffin.

 

No, era has everything to do with it. There are lots of posters who deny the greatness of a SRL precisely because he had so few fights as opposed to say, a SRR.
There are those who deny Roy true greatness because he won fragmented titles for the most part and view his brief stint at heavyweight as a clever career booster but little more.
I personally don't see it that way, but many do.

Besides, I didn't say they cannot be compared, I said it's extremely hard to compare eras directly and reach a conclusion based on that about who belongs in the top 25 of all time or whatever.

 

Point taken but the vast majority of people have SRL in the top 10 ATG and many have RJJ the same or similar. The fact is had Mayweather beaten the guys i listed i'm sure many would place him in the top 15 even top 10, he didn't fight them and so isn't near that ranking