Mayweather-Marquez: A better question.

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  1. Combinaçion

    Combinaçion Active Member Full Member

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    A better question than what will the weight difference be come fight-time.. is, what do you think will be a greater factor in the fight: Floyd's weight advantage (experience at higher weights plus ofcourse being heavier on the night-- which could be anywhere from 4-8lbs).... OR Floyd's 6-inch reach advantage!

    (Marquez 5'7: 66-inch reach vs. Mayweather 5'8: 72-inch reach).



    In a chess-match like this & given the styles.... I have to go with reach!
    Every inch Marquez has less than Floyd is vital, here... it's of greater importance, in my opinion, than the anywhere from 4lbs to 8lbs weight difference come fight night. Especially when you consider that while Marquez is faster than people give him credit for, he's not 'fast. period'. & he's got the task of landing clean-shots vs. that Mayweather defense...!
     
  2. P.4.P.G.O.A.T.

    P.4.P.G.O.A.T. Q Boro Killa Bee Full Member

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    Much more about reach. Mayweather was never a bully-type of fighter - he doesn't use strength as much as he uses reach and speed.
     
  3. Combinaçion

    Combinaçion Active Member Full Member

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    yep & as far as power goes... we all know Marquez can take a damn good shot! Pacquiao's straight-left has long been one of the hardest hits in boxing p4p while Floyd has never been known as a power-puncher (his name never enters the mix with guys like Pacquiao & Mosley at the divisions south of 154).
    While he isn't as soft as some make out (Floyd that is), I'd still say that both Casamayor & Juan Diaz have harder shots in their locker... which Marquez has taken.

    That doesn't mean he CAN'T finish Marquez, though. I just don't think he will, unless Marquez has passed over to the other side of the hill & aged over-night!
     
  4. Combinaçion

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  5. surreal deal

    surreal deal Liverpool via Krypton Full Member

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    Good points.
     
  6. Combinaçion

    Combinaçion Active Member Full Member

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    Thanks
    I was getting sick of hearing about weight over & over again.

    It's not going to be half the issue it's made out to be.
    Size is the issue, but not size in weight! But size of their arms & hands!!
     
  7. Combinaçion

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    Also, imo... the weight-limit issue isn't about size.. it's about helping to even the odds a little by getting Mayweather to have to cut a little more weight & hence be a little more drained, and hopefully, a little less explosive!

    Marquez started out trying to get Floyd to meet him @ 140, keep in mind!
     
  8. Ringnut

    Ringnut Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Good poll! Fighting PBF @147 isn't really about who will be stronger, since regardless if the fight is at 143 or 147, PBF will still probably weigh in at around 150 either way. But @ 143, PBF will have to lose more weight at the weigh-in, and the more pounds you put before fight night, the worse the performance.

    And definitely i think the reach is a bigger issue here.
     
  9. cmkb

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    Interesting question but I think in the end even if reach is the bigger issue it is a moot point because the reach is not adjustable... the weight is.

    Reach can be overcome by speed and timing. I would say that the higher weight the fight is fought at the slower Marquez will be. In other words, the higher the weight the more exaggerated the reach advantage becomes. These two issues are unfortunately for Marquez not mutually exclusive as the pool might infer.
     
  10. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    The more pounds you put on for fight night the worse the performance?


    If thats the case, 7lbs wouldn't really hurt Mayweather. Who I believe feels he is in the driver seat for this fight and shouldn't have to drop down for someone who wanted him. On top of it, if weight was such an issue of putting on after a fight. Pacquaio added 15lbs after the 2nd Marquez weigh in. Mosley and Margo put on 13lbs after their weigh in.

    Cutting weight differs for all bodies.

    Mayweather has cut 8lbs (the most Ive seen from him) and this was when he fought Chavez when he had less weight to work with.
     
  11. Combinaçion

    Combinaçion Active Member Full Member

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    All depends on how much weight Marquez can put on to add a little more power to his punches.. without slowing him down! With no tune-up beforehand, it is a gamble.

    And overcoming reach (aswell as other factors) & indeed ALL odds are what Marquez will have to do here. But point remains, if Marquez had the reach of Morales... I'd give him a MUCH better shot...

    I mean, Marquez IS great at everything... but with a half a foot shorter reach... he's gonna still be dangerously close when he's starting his combos off with the jab.

    What I do like about Marquez, though, is that he is one of the best at mixing in FAKES into his offense... & it'll be interesting to see if he triggers Floyd's synapses... neurotransmitters firing all over the place..., Floyd reacts to a punch that hasn't come.. & then pow.. Marquez switches to an overhand right! (Marquez has the best overhand right in the biz... and it don't look sloppy or street, either!... he also has the best uppercut, but i wonder if he can get inside long enough to make it count!)
     
  12. GmoNavarro

    GmoNavarro Active Member Full Member

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    I think the biggest factor here is how jmm can carry his velocity and timing at 147, reach would be 2nd, when you increase your weight even with muscle you loose speed, jmm speed i think is underrated but i dont know how well he will carry his speed and footwork, if he carries well i dont think weight will take a lot of importance because floyd doesnt gain over 2 lbs in fight night so i think if jmm shows at 143 weight in he would be like 144 fight night anf if floyd weight in at 147 he would be 148 fight night, 4 lbs is not a lot comparing welters like cotto, margo or mosley who reach almost 160 lbs on fight night, this is not the case for floyd...
     
  13. Combinaçion

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    Can't believe how many people are voting Floyd's Weight Advantage. Thought we were a little more educated, here, ya know!?

    Floyd's Weight Advantage does not mean the same thing as Marquez's disadvantage in having to go up in weight (how big of a disadvantage depends on how much weight he puts on, and how badly affected he is by the extra baggage!).



    So many screamed 'mismatch' @ this fight, citing that Marquez is small at 135.. nevermind 147!.... They were implying that Mayweather would physically dominate & bully Marquez... -- this ain't the case.

    Out of physical stats... Reach is key.
    Other than that, it's all about technique & tactics!
     
  14. buckdacious

    buckdacious Sin~City punks!!! Full Member

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  15. ecdrm15

    ecdrm15 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Good point. Especially with their counterpunching styles.