Mayweather-Marquez-pacquiao explanation.

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  1. caliboxingfan

    caliboxingfan Member Full Member

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    Conclusion: Mayweather and Marquez should have never shared a ring, and the loss means nothing to Marquez legacy and the win means nothing to Floyd's legacy.

    In 2008-2009 pacquiao made a great run of fighting bigger fighters. Those fighters WERE bigger but their skills were not equal to pacquiao so pacquiao overcame the size with his skill.

    Over simplified example: pacquiao skill=10 opponents skill=7 + size point 1 =8
    So pacquiao was still greater than those bigger opponents.

    Marquez was denied the pacquiao fight during this time. So his attempt was to one up pacquiao, move up in weight AND fight a superior bigger opponent than pacquiao had.

    The problem was that at best if skill wise Marquez and mayweather were 10s, mayweather would beat him due to the weight and reach advantages. (These based on him being a bigger fighter only, speed is a advantages he would have REGARDLESS of what weight the fight was in.)

    The hope people had (non *******s or *****s). Was that:
    The size advantage Floyd had on pacquiao would be counteracted with pacquiaos perceived ability to match Floyd's speed and pacquiao having the style to beat a defensive style.

    Floyd had dominated most of his opponents and the thought of a fighter that could at least be competitive was the sintalating part.

    Pacquiao could still be able to beat mayweather, boxing is a game of rock-paper-scissors.


    Therefore Marquez could be rated above Floyd all time based on him facing ALL foes and it could be argued that he has never lost. Also he is not a part time figher.
     
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  2. caliboxingfan

    caliboxingfan Member Full Member

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    Better? People define better differently. Pacquiao has never thoroughly domniated an opponent like mayweather, mayweather has never spectacularly KO anyone like pacquiao did to Hatton.

    Marquez does do better for sure against Bradley and clottey.
     
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  3. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Niether Marquez or Pacquiao are true welters, which is why neither imo would beat Mayeather at 147 lbs.

    At 130 lbs, both would give Mayweather a run for his money.
     
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  4. oibighead

    oibighead G.O.A.T. Full Member

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    Pac is a real welter.

    He weighed 151 on fightnight exactly what around what Mayweather would weigh
     
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  5. slugger3000

    slugger3000 You Mad Bro? Full Member

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    Good article.. you made some valid points! Yes styles make fights..
     
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  7. boxsensei

    boxsensei Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bingo I'm tired of people acting like Pac was this undersized dwarf who somehow managed to triumph over giants andFloyd is some huge mosnter, They are the sane damn size. Pac just turned pro whil he was still a teenager, thus he wa at lower weight classes. Floyd is just a superior, more intelligent, more skilled fighter,
     
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  8. divac

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    Thats your opinion.
    I think Mayweathers weight is natural, Pacquiao's is bulked up. According to himself he over eats to get there.

    When was Mayweather 151 lbs,fight night?
    I know he was there officially vs Cotto, not sure he did'nt add lbs after though.

    Mayweather comes in 147 lbs naturally, he may even have to dehydrate some now. We know he did'nt want to dehydrate lower than 146 lbs for the Marques fight.

    Marquez and Pacquiao could still fight at 140 lbs and maybe even 135 lbs today.
    Pacquiao himself has said he could make 135 lbs.

    Mayweather can no longer make those weights, he's just naturally bigger.
     
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  9. caliboxingfan

    caliboxingfan Member Full Member

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    The key here is that PAC and Marquez COULD make 135 comfortably, mayweather CAN'T come below 146, or won't? (To honor a contract)
     
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  10. Defthatguy

    Defthatguy The Rick Flair of ESB Full Member

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    LOL keep telling yourself that and keep distancing yourself from reality.
     
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  11. MAG1965

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    I disagree. Floyd still beat him and Marquez still lost. There is no need for resumes or even fighting anyone if we are going to dismiss the fights we don't think are important. Roberto Duran's fans are kings at picking and choosing which fights to count and which not to, which are tied to excuses. And I do not think it is a good thing here either. Floyd beat him and stylistically he cannot beat Floyd.
     
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  12. caliboxingfan

    caliboxingfan Member Full Member

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    The fight did not happen. Marquez is not a welterweight.
     
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  13. MAG1965

    MAG1965 Loyal Member banned

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    tell that to all the people who spent money on that PPV fight in Sept of 2009. Marquez would lose the same way as he did back in 2009, and if he is a welterweight now then he should fight legit welterweights and not only Manny. He has had a habit of fighting mediocre guys and then Pacman, at the same time Manny is fighting top fighters like Oscar and Shane and Cotto and Hatton and the list goes on and on. I respect Marquez win, but this was a fight which had a few variables lined up.
     
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  14. eze

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    Both pac and mayweather can make 140. Imo
     
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  15. LastQuark

    LastQuark Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This ^^

    Marquez style is a perfect match for Pac. But if you let Marquez face the likes of Cotto, Margo, Mosley, etc., I can't imagine how he can fare any better than Pac. Those guys are naturally bigger and more powerful.

    Pac fighting big men after the other and Marquez fighting smaller unknown names just shows the wear and tear factor favors Marquez significantly.
     
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