Mayweather-PAC: The stamina issue...

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  1. Xavier

    Xavier Boxing Logician Full Member

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    I'm remembering the pre-fight analysis in the run-up to Joe Calzaghe v Bernard Hopkins.

    There were a lot of commentators who were arguing that Hopkins was a fighter of the old-school; a fighter who could not only last 12 rds, but 15 in the manner they used to be fought. His stamina was sighted as one of the main reasons he would beat Super Joe.

    I remember thinking; these guys haven't actually watched Joe fight :patsch, have they? Coz if there's one aspect where Calzaghe would shine, it would be his incredible stamina. Here's a guy who can fight at a frenetic pace 100% for 12rds easily. I don't ever remember him being particularly tired in any of his fights though he would fight like a crazy meerkat for the full duration.

    I believed Bernard had him on the intangibles (and also thought he would win), but I knew he had never faced an opponent who fought at the pace that Joe did for 12rds - he was used to a much more sleepy pace of fighting - one which he could control and manipulate. I knew it would be tough for him to sustain that pace for so long.


    Fast forward to 2010 - where we see another such pairing. Highly skilled defensive fighter known for his incredible stamina facing a ferocious puncher (admittedly this is where my analogy with Calzaghe breaks down) who can sustain 12rds at a very energetic pace.

    I'm wondering how the issue of stamina plays out in this fight. I'm trying to remember a time when Floyd was pushed by a very fast-paced fighter who would tire him out towards the later rds in the manner that Calzaghe did to Hopkins.

    The only reason this popped into my head was that so many ppl are dismissing Manny's ability to press his opponent (at least in this fight). I'm wondering whether that's not fool-hardy. I know Mayweather hasn't fought a puncher quite like Pac - but this is gonna be at a real fast pace if Manny has his way. Hatton did press May but I think we can all agree he's not anywhere near Manny's league when it comes to speed and ferocity (hell, even accuracy).


    Okay, so what are your thoughts about this?
     
  2. pit

    pit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    stamina has never been a issue with floyd, not even in his toughest fights, in fact his stamina is what allowed him to edge his opponent each time .
     
  3. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't think the stamina issue will be the problem.....but jsut the pace of the fight might be should PAC really force the issue. But that ultimately could be PAC's undoing. He can't apply pressure the way JLC did or the way Hatton tried where they tried to smother Floyd. it has got to be intelligent pressure with some effective in-fighting....Castillo did have some good moments with his in-fighting.
     
  4. josak

    josak Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't think stamina will be an issue for either fighter. Both are always in great shape, Manny has the ability to tire a little in the later rounds because of his activity, but I've never seen him completely gas or lose steam on his punches.
     
  5. angelos

    angelos Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The Castillo type of Pressure is not the way to beat Mayweather.
     
  6. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nah.....it was! Until Floyd had the chance to revise his strategy which was showcased in the rematch. The idea is right....to pressure Floyd but it can't be flat out pressure through smothering. Floyd is hip to that style and has the answers for it. No.....pressure is only one element to beat Floyd...a very improtant one...but not the only one.
     
  7. Thread Stealer

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    Mayweather hasn't really had to fight at a pace faster than he's used to, because he's so good in controlling the tempo. Fights awhile ago he's fought at a faster pace (Augustus, Chavez, Ndou) and done fine.

    My guess is that he'll be fine at a faster pace if Pacquiao is able to force a faster pace.

    With regards to Hopkins, he used to have great stamina, I remember the Johnson fight when Clancy was in awe of his conditioning. But it was clear from watching his fights from 2004-on that he liked to fight at a slower pace with a lesser workrate. Like Mayweather, he's great at controlling the pace of the fight and fighting at his tempo. Calzaghe, with his great workrate and stamina, was able to make Hopkins work harder than usual and go at a faster pace.
     
  8. mrtony80

    mrtony80 Likes thick chicks Full Member

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    Stamina shouldn't be an issue for either guy.
     
  9. caneman

    caneman 100% AllNatural Xylocaine Full Member

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    Great points. Since, Floyd has never lost a fight, you have to look at the rounds he lost. What happened in those rounds? He was pressured. He was never outboxed. Oscar, Castillo, even Hatton, won rounds on constant pressure. I think for Manny to win, he'd have to keep the pressure and volume of punches on, but can't be too predictable coming forward, or he'll eat too many counterpunches like he did against Marquez.
     
  10. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Never really broke it down that deep but YES! Absolutely.:good I think PAC is gonna have his hands full and so will Floyd. PAC is not really predictable as he use to be. He's in and out, side to side...leading with the left and Right hooks. He's just so spuratic that Floyd wont be able to predict the kind of offense that was so easy for him in other fights. Floyd fights a lot like a great chess player....thinking and anticipating future moves of his oppoent....I don't think he'll be able to do that with the kind of style PAC has right now......but he should still win a decision in my opinion.
     
  11. JASPER

    JASPER Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It tires you out more when you throw punches and you miss. I think Pac was a little tired at the end of the JMM fight. People think PBF only lands pot shots but he also dictates the pace of any fight . . . PBF makes you miss and make you pay. That all being said stamina should not be a major issue in the fight.
     
  12. PH|LLA

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    Pac was still throwing multiple 5-6 punch combinations on Cotto in the 11th. No way he gasses.
     
  13. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Floyd doesn't dictate the pace of all his fights homie. he didn't dictate the pace of the Hatton, the 1st JLC nor the DLH fights. But his stamina is not a question mark at all. Floyd is very conservative and effiecent. It works for him well.
     
  14. PH|LLA

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    In that case maybe you should consider that those 16lbs he put on in 24 hours really did have an effect.

    However IMO I thought PAc still had stamina in the 12th. That round was alot closer than people make it out to be. Will rewatch it now. :D
     
  15. SweetPeaAli

    SweetPeaAli New Member Full Member

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    He had a dead man in front of him. Pacquiao and Mayweather have ridiculous training regimens. Hell, Floyd might be in better shape since he is always in the gym, not just when a fight is approaching.