Mayweather-Pacquiao...common opponents...

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  1. stormy

    stormy Live and Learn Full Member

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    tru dat!:good

    But you can draw some conclusions about the styles (in hindsight) involved and perhaps the game plans all the relevent parties used for the better or the worse.

    Smoking Joe?....well did he ever alter anything from one fight to the next?? nope i dont think so.Joe was always joe day in day out. One of the fighters i never tire of watching.

    Norton? Basic Style remained the same...only the energy and intensity seemed to vary but a good fighter all the same.

    Ali? Had a lot of trouble with Frazier.... so Norton was always going to give him hell being the bigger version of Frazier with good reach and power when he was a hungry keen young fighter on the way up.

    Geoge Foreman? only turned up fit and punched till they dropped.If they stood in front of Big George the job was made a whole lot easier easier.

    It was Alis plan that brought Big George down that fateful night. That and ton of guts and a truckload of good old fashioned luck.

    I wonder if any trainer back then knew how to beat George before Ali defeated him?
     
  2. boxbox

    boxbox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He was saying Hatton was smaller than Pac which i disagree with.

    As for Hatton, moving up in weight is not that hard considering its his first time in how many years?
     
  3. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    I got one better, Taylor beat Hopkins twice, Pavlik beat Taylor twice. So in that sense Pavik should beat Hopkins correct? Wrong it was Hopkins who easily beat Pavik.
     
  4. theunderdog

    theunderdog Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    other than the obvious fact that boxing mathematics don't work. mayweather fought dlh at 154 and pac fought him at 147 where dlh hasnt fought in like a decade.
     
  5. MAG1965

    MAG1965 Loyal Member banned

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    I am not a fan of Floyd but to be honest Floyd won against Oscar easily. How was that close? Floyd controlled Oscar who had some good moments, but he didn't come close to winning that fight.
     
  6. PikeMc

    PikeMc Member Full Member

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    What are you going to say when mayweather widely UD's or stops marquez? Using your logic that would be applicable, but really a lot of the difference will come down to weight. Which would apply to the mayweather DLH fight. If you watch both fighters against dlh its clear that dlh offers far more in the mayweather fight, for a lot of reasons. Manny got a peach of a KO against hatton, but he wouldn't catch floyd in a million rounds with that punch. The difference, some to do with hattons style v pacquiao and a lot to do with the difference between pacs and floyds style and also the fact that hatton was to that point not damaged goods when he faced floyd, accounts for the faster stoppage.
     
  7. totsboy

    totsboy Active Member Full Member

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    Wow that just 2 examples and the one is with a loaded gloves..

    That is only 1 out of thousand fights so that means there is only a small chance that it would happen while there are lots of fights where the one who wins better against the same opponents win.
     
  8. stormy

    stormy Live and Learn Full Member

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    ok what if i say Pacman will give a better fight than his last two opponents gave Floyd? Maybe thats the safer than saying Floyd will be as easy as Roach seems to think?

    It isn't the stoppages that i was drawing attention to by the way...although they happened...It was more about those two having a better journey for a short time with one as compared to the other.

    I can imagine a good trainer will be looking at that aspect wouldn't he?
     
  9. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes Hatton is smaller than Pacquiao. Pacquiao hs advantages in hight and reach over Hatton. :hat
     
  10. shelterr

    shelterr Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Here's the analysis required to predict the outcome of Pac-PBF. Floyd is the smarter, more skilled fighter, Pac is the more explosive, offensive fighter. I have seen Floyd shut down offensive fighters no sweat (Hatton, Corrales, Judah). In my eyes the last real fight Pac was in was against Juan Manuel Marquez and Pac not only looked beatable but many thought he was beaten. Almost beaten by a smaller slick but hittable Mexican counterpuncher. The difference between a Mexican counterpuncher like Marquez and a defensive counterpuncher like Floyd is that Floyd is not very hittable. I don't know how he does it but nobody seems to get meaningful leather on Floyd. I expect Pac to do better than anyone has in a long time, but Floyd by clear UD 8-4 or 7-5 seems to be the reasonable outcome. It may even be a split decision if a judge favors aggression a lot. But there is a reason Pac has been steered away from slick fighters in his career. And if Pac is the betting favorite in this fight, I'll bet a bunch of money on Floyd and start figuring out how to spend it.
     
  11. Knives7

    Knives7 Boxing Addict banned

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    What's wrong with what he said? It's his opinion. There are a FEW who thought that Oscar won. I just thought it was close fight but Mayweather still won by out boxing Oscar.
     
  12. shelterr

    shelterr Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Also, Floyd whooped Hatton at his own physical game and systematically broke him down. I knew from day 1 that Pac would brutally KO Hatton within 4 rounds because post Floyd, Hatton had zero punch resistance and the beatdown that Floyd gave him messed him up mentally as much as physically. Floyd doesn't just come out guns a blazin like Pac. He makes a plan, makes the neccesary adjustments and wins every time. He is the most disciplined fighter in the game. He may lose rounds from time time, but he never loses fights.
     
  13. Williams27

    Williams27 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Styles make fights. If Floyd fights a perfect fight as Floyd Mayweather, and Pacman fights a perfect fight as himself, Floyd wins a UD. But if Floyd is just slightly off his game, just a tiny bit, an animal like Pacman can take him out. If thesee guys both bring their best I think Floyd wins a UD with Manny winning maybe 2 or 3 rounds. If Floyd makes a mistake or 2, then Pacman has a better chance then anyone else and taking Floyd out.
     
  14. 41fever

    41fever Boxing Addict Full Member

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    OK, w/o da bias...

    Floyd fought Oscar @154.
    PAC fought Oscar @ 147. Oscar had rehydrated with IV's
    Hatton never tasted defeat until he met PBF. Let's b real.
    Hatton had good scraps with the underrated stars Lazcano and Collazo.

    I think PBF-PAC would b GREAT!! Floyd Jr. is VERY SMART and VERY SKILLED. PAC is in his own right now. I think Mosley gives them HELL!
     
  15. tolindoy

    tolindoy UBESTRIDTE MESTER Full Member

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    As much as I would like to see that happen, Pac beats Floyd, you really cant based that on common opponents..

    A very good example is, Pac beat Barrera convincingly, Barrera beat Morales twice....But when Pac fought Morales the first time, we know what happened....

    Style makes fights....