Mayweather/Pacquiao's marketing campaign should be re-started....

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Asterion, Aug 26, 2012.


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  1. dyna

    dyna Boxing Junkie banned

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    Especially for a pressure fighter, aging is very bad.
     
    dyna, Aug 27, 2012
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  2. Flexe

    Flexe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No need. Pac has lost his desire. Floyd would probably take a decision. Meaningless at this point really. Should have happened after Pacquiao put beatings on Cotto, Margarito.
     
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  3. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    no one cares. and those who do care dont want to wait another year for "late 2013" to arrive
     
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  4. thesandman

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    Exactly. If they do ever fight it will be a last, cash out fight for Oac at the end of his career, where he just comes in and swings for the fences.

    I don't care why they didn't fight, but it's disgraceful that we had 2 guys around like that at the same time, at the same or similar weight classes, that never fought.

    Hearns, Hagler, Duran, Leonard. All around at the same time, and they all managed to sort their **** out and fight each other.

    I'd rather Hearns lose the way he did to Leonard and Hagler (if only he'd used his brains against Hagler) than never fight them because of some petty bull****.
     
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  5. Asterion

    Asterion Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    At the moment, Mayweather-Pacquiao is not like Hearns-Leonard II.

    1. Mayweather and Pacquiao are still the P4P kings.

    2. Leonard had been semi retired for about 5 years before his late 80s success. Mayweather, today, is an active boxer who fights once or twice a year.

    3. Hearns was deteriorating. He lost to Hagler and then to Barkley. Pacquiao only lost one fight (officially against Bradley).

    4. Leonard and Hearns were fighting for belts of new Super Middleweight division. Mayweather and Pacman would fight for the Welterweight championship.
     
    Asterion, Aug 27, 2012
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  6. thesandman

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    How can Pac be a P4P king when he's not even one of the best 2 welterweights?

    If we say he REALLY beat Bradley, then he REALLY lost to JMM.


    Didn't Nayweather retire once already?

    There were 2 years and 2 months from the Hagler fight to the Hearns fight.
    3 fights. Hagler, Lalonde, Hearns.

    From the Cotto fight back to the Mosley fight the gap was 2 years.

    What's the difference between a semi retired fighter who fights 3 times over 2 years - and an active fighter that has retired once and fought 3 times in 2 years and been to prison?

    Answer? Leonard fought much better opposition.


    Marvin ****ing Hagler.
    One of the best middleweights that's gone around.
    Pac has struggled with JMM (a lightweight) and Bradley. ( I had him winning BTW)
    Floyd has fought Cotto (who Pac and a few other guys have battered), Ortiz (ugh) and a shot to **** Mosley.

    Come on.

    Barkley? Yeah. Bad result. And yes, Hearns was deteriorating. That's my entire point.

    Hearns was still good enough to beat Virgil Hill TWO YEARS later to win the WBA light heavyweight title though.

    So he was hardly shot to ****.

    Yes I'm aware they were at different weights.
    I'm not sure of your point here.

    The title was bogus?

    Leonard did (farcically) win them vs Lalonde in a dodgy catch weight fight.
    He won the WBC LHW and super middle at the same time.

    Floyd and Pac following Sugars lead here with dodgy catch weight fights.

    They could have fought at middle - Leonard was still the lineal champ after all, and I think both guys weighed in st middle anyway, super middle, or LHW. Leonard did have the belt after all.

    I think you believe I think the Hearns Leonard fight was worthless. I don't.
    I think it was a fight between two formerly great fighters, who due to age had slipped to "very good" rather than great.

    They had come back to the pack, so to speak.
     
    thesandman, Aug 28, 2012
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  7. Asterion

    Asterion Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Arguably he isn't a Top P4P fighter, but magazines like The Ring still rank him there. So he "officially" is a Top2 P4P.

    Mayweather was retired for 20 months approx.

    Leonard was retired for 27 months. Then he had one easy fight. Then he retired again for almost 36 months.



    Yes, Hagler is an ATG and better than anyone that Mayweather fought. But that was the only quality fight in which SRL was involved between 1982 and 1989. Hearns was very past his prime the 2nd time they fought. You can say, however, that SRL fought much better opposition just because of Hagler. However, his other opponents between 82-89 sucked.

    In general, Mayweather kept fighting the best available.

    I agree. I think Pac lost both. They were close fights.

    Mayweather beat a better version of Cotto. He was #1 at 154, a weight he's confortable with. Pac's Cotto was struggling with the weight and his confidence wasn't back after being beaten by Margarito.

    Ortiz was a solid 147 contender.

    Mosley wasn't shot to ****. Past his best years, yes. But he was one of the best welterweight in the world and had destroyed Margarito the year before. It was a better version of Mosley than the one Pac beat two years later.


    That makes me think of a good comparison.

    Late 80s Hearns was past his best. He wasn't shot to ****, ok. Similar to 2010 Mosley. They had their last hurrahs, respectively, against Virgil Hill and Antonio Margarito.

    Mayweather and Pacquiao aren't yet at that stage of their careers.

    That's why I think Mayweather-Pacquiao is better than Leonard-Hearns II.

    Catchweight fights have always existed. But I agree and think that Pacman is using them too much, he is abusing and should be criticized.
     
    Asterion, Aug 28, 2012
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  8. kimonerz

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    Not going to work... They're too past their primes.
     
    kimonerz, Aug 28, 2012
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  9. Lampley

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    I want it to happen because it would bring a great deal of attention to the sport, but I lost interest when it broke down in 2009-10. Both are now declined, and especially Pacquiao.

    I don't think it's quite yet at the level of Leonard/Hearns II, but it's getting there quickly.
     
    Lampley, Aug 28, 2012
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