Mayweather,pelase move up to 160 and prove you are the GOAT

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  1. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    It would probably be impossible for Hop to hit 154.
     
  2. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    People aren't satisfied, because he proclaims himself as the GOAT, and he's never fought an ATG in their peak.
     
  3. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Why would Canelo, Mosley, Ortiz, Guerrero have had a problem submitting themselves for extra testing?

    Cast your mind back to 2009, when Manny and Floyd were negotiating through the media. The only issue was the purse split at first.

    Floyd had no testing demands whatsoever.

    From Jan-Nov there was no issue.

    Then Floyd Snr made his accusations in Sept.

    Floyd then wanted all of the tests.


    So put yourself in Manny's shoes, and look from his perspective.

    Nothing's mentioned, and then Floyd Snr, says that he must be on something, on the grounds that he started at a low weight, and was fighting at 147.

    That same logic, can be applied to his own son.

    So it was a bull**** reason.

    Then Floyd (through Ellerbe) demanded the tests, when again, it was never an issue before.

    So why should Manny have agreed to everything??

    They went back and forth on the dates, and couldn't reach an agreement.


    Manny was then labelled a weak, yellow, rice eating midget, who was taking power pellets.

    He'd had millions of fans throughout the world question whether he was dirty or not.

    So the guys you've mentioned had no reason to say no.


    But Manny's circumstances were different to theirs.


    It was stupid to fight Canelo at 152. If he'd have weighed in at 154, it would have been the exact same result. But that right there shows you Floyd's mindset.

    That's why, although I enjoy debating on these threads, they're a waste of time.

    Because a guy who wouldn't fight Canelo at 152, IS NOT going to fight a 160 fighter.

    He hasn't got the heart, and the will, that guys like Duran had.
     
  4. HoldMyBeer

    HoldMyBeer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    pacquiao fight will always hurt pac and Floyd with their legacy, but many people aren't satisfied simply because they don't like him

    regardless of what Floyd does, there will always be a "you now need to do this to satisfy me" mentality among some people
     
  5. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    You can twist it around whichever way you want.

    We can say that Floyd bottled it, by not accepting the 24 days.

    We know that early last year, Floyd tried to claim the entire PPV revenue from what would have been the biggest grossing fight of all time.

    So what does that tell us?

    His actions tell me that he was never seriously interested in making the fight. Because if he had've been, he would never have pulled a stunt like that.
     
  6. TheExpertboxer

    TheExpertboxer Active Member Full Member

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    He will never be considered the GoAt because he's not nearly as beloved as Ali.
     
  7. Loudon

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    There'll always be that element, but I think he brings a lot of it to his own door with how he conducts himself.
     
  8. ko00

    ko00 Active Member Full Member

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    I hate this sh*t why does floyd have to move upto 160 to prove how great it is? its not his fault the competition is not there for him at 147-154

    why doesnt Rigo jump up to 135/140 to prove if he really is a supreme talent

    why doesnt ward try do a RJJ? blah blah

    bullsh*t does he have to fight GGG ect to prove his worth
     
  9. Stylez G.

    Stylez G. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's probably why Mayweather calls himself the best and not the greatest. It sounds like it's the same thing, but there's a difference.
     
  10. blackbolt396

    blackbolt396 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Because they know deep down and don't want to say it That man is one of the best boxers to ever grace this planet.
     
  11. Dillyyo

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    Are you fvcking kidding me?! Do you realize the weight disparity in such a feat? Keep in mind that the current GOAT only most fought at a weight disparity of 16.5 lbs, with same day weigh-ins. You're asking Floyd to get into a ring with opponents that will outweigh him by 25+ lbs come fight night. Throw in the fact that Floyd does not have the power to keep fighters that big honest, ala Duran or Armstrong.

    There is no doubt in my mind that Floyd could be competitive and win, but it would come at the cost of him constantly moving and pot shotting. Detractors would just say that he ran and essentially give him no credit because he should have just stayed in the pocket and played Rockem Sockem robots with these men. I can see Floyd entertaining MW with a catch weight, but SMW is just ridiculous and surely not something needed to be listed as the GOAT, IMO.
     
  12. Dillyyo

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    Because intelligent minds can see that maybe Floyd just makes everyone else look that much more inferior. No boxer of this era can ever replicate what the greats of the past did because the game is different and the talent pool is weaker, but not very hard to come to the conclusion that none of those past greats would be landing much on Floyd. That fact in itself makes any past or current opponent vulnerable to losing to Floyd.

    The fact that your post contradicts what many ATG trainers and fighters have been saying about Floyd since this fight, tells me YDKSAB.
     
  13. Dillyyo

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    Fortunately, Floyd and other athletes aren't our personal cvm rags. We have a more educated athlete and population than years prior. We understand the devastating damage that violent sports do to the athletes and their families. I know fans think that athletes get paid all this money so they should go fall on their swords, but I'd bet my life that if greats of the past knew what we know now or had the prosperity athletes have now, they wouldn't fight the way they did during their reigns in the sport.

    SRR even said on tape that he only fought for the money. If he had Floyd type money, SRR wouldn't likely even be the GOAT, considering his weakness for women, partying and blowing everything. He surely wouldn't have fought nearly as much either. Anyone who thinks fighters like Ali would have taken the same course of action in their careers, knowing what they know now, are delusional. To expect a fighter like Floyd to risk those type of outcomes in life, especially being as risk adverse as he's been during some of his career, is delusional. Just appreciate the tools and skills we see on display.

    Barry Sanders (American Football) quit before breaking Paytons Rushing record, which he would have destroyed, but no doubt in my and many minds that he is likely the GOAT at running back.
     
  14. Mr Pibb

    Mr Pibb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Has Calzhage ever fought an ATG at their peak??

    Shane "tootchache" Mosley and Oscar wanted no parts of Floyd earlier in their careers.Hatton could have fought him at 140.
    Manny rejected a 5050 split and a 14 day cutoff.

    "14 day too close...I in hebby hebby trainy".

    Maria Sharapova doesn't need 14 minutes to recover from shi.t worse than that.

    Everybody's excuses are ignored when it comes lil Floyd.
     
  15. jonze86

    jonze86 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    why many think my suggestion is ******ed?i only said if floyd want to remembered as GOAT or atleast top 5-10 ATG he should move up.i'm totally okay if floyd stays at WW.but then please floyd fan's stop saying floyd is the greatest.why everyone thinks i want to see floyd lose etc.. only suggests that only way floyd could say i'm the greatest is by moving up,or atleast then floyd could argued to be one of the greatest.i'm only speculating that nothing more nothing less.