In the history of boxing has any boxer taken as much criticism as Mayweather has for not fighting guys he would easyly beat? In his case Margrito and Cotto? Call me a nuthuger if you like, maby I am. I have been called worse. However please tell me at which point in their careers that Cotto and Margrito would even be competive? For the record I'm not a hatter of Cotto or Margrito. They just are not as good as Mayweather.
No, it's warranted. People just want to see the best fight the best. Cotto and Margarito were 2 of the top 3 in the division Mayweather was at and claimed to be the best at. Just because he would be big favorite doesn't give him a free pass to dodge these guys without any outcry. Anyway, these guys fighting each other gave the sport a much better spectacle than any fight with Mayweather could have possibly produced. That led to an opportunity for Mosley to once again prove his greatness at 147, and for Pac to solidify his ATG status with wins over these guys. It was great to see the fighters willing to mix it up with the best get their much deserved respect and props fr beating these guys instead of Mayweather. In a way I'm happy he ducked them.
Sorry ripcity, if you dont think the cotto that showed up in the mosley fight would 'even be competetive' with floyd, you eather vastly overrating floyd, or completely underrating cotto pre margarito. thats the funny thing about mayweather, hes fooled a lot of you guys by beating the likes of sharmba mitchel, judah and baldomir at welterweight, so easily (or NOT so easily in the case of judah and hoya) that it makes it easy for you guys to just ASSUME he would easily handle ACTUAL, DANGEROUS opponents. Would he be favored? of course he would.... but lets get real here, the guy almost dropped a decision to a part time promoting one fight away from retirement oscar, dont believe for a second that a fight with a primed cotto wouldnt have even be competetive :-( oh, and heres the reason for the **** he gets.... alright, so WHAT if he can beat pac? so because he can beat pac, hes not going to fight him... instead he will fight -insert name here who is WORSE then pac- so because he could beat margarito, instead he will fight -baldomir- so because he could beat cotto, instead he will fight -hatton- so because he could beat mosley, instead he will fight -hoya- (who... mosley beat when he was in his PRIME, yet mayweather acts like what he did was the greatest thing in boxing) So 'because' Mayweather could beat Cotto, Mosley, and Margarito, he fights guys on a lower level then them..... ???? and yet all the while gets defended because hey, they wouldnt even be competetive, so whats the point? instead let him face guys that REALLY dont have a shot. :roll: Fact is, you nor anyone else knows how a fight would have played out between mosley and mayweather, or cotto at that time and mayweather, or margarito and mayweather. I personally think Mayweather would box circles around margarito, I think it would look like the first 6 rounds of the cotto fight accept with less mean intent on the punches, but with continued stamina and goes on to win a decision with some rough moments down the stretch. I also think a mosley/mayweather fight is a close fight but one i think mayweather should be favored him, i actually believe hes much more a complete fighter with better composure and bearing then mosley, and i think his value as a fighter and not just pure boxer would show in this fight. The cotto that fought mosley I think would give mayweather all he wanted, and my heart says cottos jab and then vaunted body attack would work well against mayweather. Cottos nemises are guys that come at him, with good chins, hard wills, putting pressure and give no quarter. He has never been outboxed, and i think his combination at the time of punching and boxing would have been an interesting clash with mayweather... my mind tells me that mayweather would be able to use his speed to effectively counter miguel, and use his defence effectively throughout the fight, and it would go to a decision that mayweather would likely win. Those are my three unbiased views, but guess what.... at the end of the day, he didnt fight them and those are just words and opinions that really dont mean ****, he fought guys on a LOWER LEVEL then them, all the while having his fans say 'oh ya but whats the point i mean, he would beat those guys anyways' Thats why they fight, this is boxing, the theatre of the unexpected.... and hollow words reciting 'ya but he would beat them anyways' spoken 1 million times doesnt outweigh the fact that he didnt fight them, and no, nobody knows how the fights would play out, and doesnt make up for dodging your top challenger to fight the guy below him...
I think you're vastly underrating pre-Margo Cotto. The only thing that would have been a problem for him against Mayweather would have been his stamina. Cotto would have given Mayweather a lot of trouble for at least 6 rounds. I wouldn't say I worship anyone but I'm as close to that as possible in regards Floyd's skills as a boxer but it is garbage like the Marquez fight that makes him look invincible. Even Ricky Hatton had his moments against him for gods sake and Cotto is three times the fighter he is.
That might be the most lucid, intelligent post i'v e ever read on here, and i agree on the cotto analysis. Floyd would NEVER even dream about walking cotto down. Cotto would be free to try whatever offense he wanted on floyd without paying the ultimate price. Not to mention floyd couldn't hurt cotto with his weak ass punches. No. floyd would win a 116-112 typr decisoin over miguel, and slightly wider with margo, but shane IMO is a pick-em. Therefore all of these are close contested fights that fans deserve to see and floyd is obligated to answer to. Pac is by far the better fighter, and the one history will be more apt to remember. Floyd is a spoiled cherry picker, and pac is an ATG, possibly G.O.A.T. Pac also fights great fights exclusively while floyd just.....................well.......... just boxes for 12 rounds:dead
Dude, are you in love with a man or a sport? Of course someone looks unbeatable if they say so and don't show it. Margarito and Cotto showed it against each other, Mayweather didn't. He avoided his whole division. What part of this does not make sense? Avoided His Whole Division Till This Day!
Mayweather probably would've been them two, but that's still speculation. You can get a pass for not fighting certain opponents if you fight other top fighters, but Mayweather basically wasted two years. After Hatton, he negotiated to fight De La Hoya again, retired, came back, and faced Marquez. A decent enough comeback fight after being out for 21 months, but still, not exactly what fans wanted when he had just beaten Hatton and Cotto had just beaten Mosley. Still, he can make up for some of the lost time if and when he faces Pacquiao. Pacquiao's not only a great fighter, but has proven that he can fight at a high level above 140, having just dominated one of the top WWs in the world.
Your logic is flawed. An analogy: would Tyson be looked up if he did not fight spinks, etc. Because at that time, we all know that no one could withstand tyson in his hype days. Yet he fought them. If boxing is purely fantasy match-ups then no one is allowed to criticize floyd. However, a fight is not proven in statistics or in perceptions but rather on toip of the ring. Heck, if that is the case, then Tyson should have not lost to Douglas or should have not fought him and his reigtn of terror should have continued. Castillo is plodding, slow, and by virtue of that, Floyd would have no problem disposing of this guy. Yet in actual fight, that was not the case. Perceptions can only be that, perception. Just like the idea that Boxing is dead without Mayweather.
to answer some questions. No I do not think that Cotto when he beat Mosley would have been compitive with Mayweather. I might fell difrently had he domanted Mosley not just won their fight. Hatton and De La Hoya were bigger threts to Mayweather than Cotto and Margrito. You can question his decision to fight Judah before Baldomir. Marquez was a comeback fight. I don't see too many people critizing Ray Leonard for making his comeback against Kevin Howard. I am a fan of the sport and admire Mayweather's skills and abilites as a boxer.
did tyson think he would easily beat douglas? did holyfield think cooper would be an easy fight? did nunn think toney had a shot in hell? tommy morrison think he could easily beat michael bent? i guess you see my point.....beating up guys like sharmba mitchell, arturo gatiti, henry brussels, carlos baldomir, zab judah (who lost to baldomir first) and fighting a washed up DLH for the $$ instead of a true test in margarito, mosley or cotto, even paul williams was mentioned in 2007..nope...then we got a fight with ricky hatton, who had looked like **** and struggled agaisnt collazo and urango prior. let me tell you...antonio margarito, shane mosley, pacquio are night and day than the 36 year old 13 year featherweight he fought.... so i have no idea what kind of logic that is you are using.... :huh
Hatto was coming off completely struggling with Collazo in a fight that could have gone eather way and showed he didnt belong at welter, then fought a ruiz style fight in an unimpressive victory over collazo, before finally looking alright against a shot castillo. all three legit wins in my eyes, and solid wins as well... but how you can take from that, that he was 'more dangerous' at the time then cotto, who had just completely crushed quintana, dominated zab judah and had signed to fight shane mosley, then beats him..... who is bigger with better skills and a heavier punch then hatton, not quite sure why hatton would be somehow more dangerous in your eyes.
