Mayweather retired.....Calzaghe P4P No1 ?

No, Pac is No.1....but Joe C is solid in No.2

We can all argue about the validity of the result, or the fact that some opponents may have been past their best, but the fact is:

Pac fought Barrera TWICE and beat him TWICE

Pac fought Morales THREE times and beat him TWICE

Pac fought Marquez TWICE and beat him ONCE and drew ONCE.

Never mind all the rest of the decent quality opposition.

Joe C's wins against Eubank, Reid, Kessler, Hopkins and Lacy isn't close to Pac's acheivments.

This is just my opinion.

 

Those two wins would be massive for Joe, but then you are still relying on Pac messing things up against his new bunch of friends up at Lightweight. I can't see David Diaz causing an upset, but Pac could conceivably lose to Casamayor, Campbell or Marquez (who is moving up as well). If that happens.....:think

 

I think he would still need another big win on top of that to threaten Pac and Joe. But you are right in that a win over Margo definetly brings him into the reckoning and sets him up for a shot at the No.1 spot.

 

Well if you break it down in P-4-P boxing terms:

Power: Pac

Speed: Pac

Workrate & Stamina: Joe C

Chin: Pac I would say, but I'm open to counter-arguments.

Jab: Joe utilises his better (Pac's has got better in the last few years)

Defence: Neither of them is very good; Pac probably has the better head movement (just because his body jerks about so much), but Joe has the better footwork. Pac dives in and out too much, leaving himself open to counters, while Joe is more willing to hit and hold in the last few fights. Both are too fond of blocking punches with their face, but they still retain good reflexes despite their style of fighting.

Overall, P4P, I would have to go for Pac. The two men are well matched in most areas, but I think that Pac posseses the faster and harder punch.

 

Joe is the better fighter but taking everything into consideration such as accomplishments, resume etc I think Pac just shades the #1 spot.

Should Pac lose against Diaz and Calzaghe beats Pavlik when it comes off it would change though.

 

1. Pac
2. Marquez
3. Calzaghe

But I say we leave it a few months to see if Mayweather is actually retired.

 

That's a flawed way of looking at things.

 

Why? He says he's retired, so take him out. If he comes back at some future point and demonstrates a level of performance then he can go back in.

 

Didn't we do this the other day?

 

Interesting. I would say Joe is number 1!

He is undefeated and linear at 168 and 175. His last two fights were WBC/WBA Kessler and then Linear Hopkins.

That is some serious ****!

 

how the hell has marquez warrented a place above calzaghe

 

J M Marquez. He was separated from Pac by one point on one card. Many people felt he beat Pac. He was above Calzaghe before the Pac and Hopkins fights and he was more impressive against Pac (who was rated much higher than Hopkins) than Calzaghe was against Hopkins.