Mayweather Sr learned the shoulder roll from someone born around 1900

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  1. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    “I can’t take the credit for that,” Floyd Sr. said. “That came from a masterful man who taught me that, man named Dale Williams from Detroit. He was a great trainer. That man taught me all kinds of tricks – hook off the jab, feint to the body and then come up top. That’s where Floyd (Jr.) got the shoulder roll from. I’m the one who taught him all the stuff.”

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    Does anyone know who Dale Williams is?
    Floyd Sr credits him on numerous occasions for teaching him the shoulder roll.
    In the video above, Mayweather says that Williams was 70 years old when he taught Floyd the shoulder roll.
    Mayweather went pro in 197. He started boxing in grade school. So it's safe to assume Williams was born close to 1900, or possible even earlier, in the 19th century.

    Interesting to think about.
    When we think Mayweather we often think "new, modern."
    But this little detail provides some context for how Mayweather got his style.
     
  2. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    No idea about William's but George Benton was obviously taught the shoulder roll and he was boxing decades befor Sr.
     
  3. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Should roll was used by fighters before SR
     
  4. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fight Hype made a mistake. It was Del Williams, who taught Mayweather. Del Williams was an old timer, who was around the same age as Eddie Futch and they learned to box together.

    Dale Williams on the other hand was a pretty well known assistant trainer back in 70’s and 80’s and worked with the Spinks brothers, but mostly Leon and worked the corner of a ton of other fighters under Del Williams. In the fight between Larry Holmes and Leon Spinks you can see Dale Williams throwing in the towel after being told to by Del Williams. Dale Williams would’ve only been in his 40’s during the mid to late 70’s.


    Williams, seeing Spinks was no longer fighting back, began waving the towel. ''Should I throw it in?'' he asked Del Williams, the 67-year-old chief trainer for Spinks and no relation to Dale. ''Go ahead, throw it,'' said Del Williams.

    Del Williams grew up in this city with 69-year-old Eddie Futch, Holmes's new trainer. Williams and Futch learned how to box together at the old Brewster Recreation Center, where one of their teammates was Joe Louis, and Williams and Futch later trained fighters together. They are old friends.

    And Futch was the trainer who refused to allow Joe Frazier to go out for the 15th round against Muhammad Ali in 1975. Holmes thought the merciful act of the two Williamses was in sharp contrast to the job done by Steele. ''What is boxing coming to?'' said Holmes. ''The man was out on his feet and the man let him take punches. It don't make any sense.'' Holmes had said that Spinks ''would bring out the best in me,'' and though this was his 38th victory, and 28th knockout, he has seldom looked better.”
    https://www.nytimes.com/1981/06/13/...n-3d-round-and-retains-heavyweight-title.html
     
  5. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    Archie Moore was also taught the cross arm guard by Hiawatha Grey, who was a late 1800s boxer.
     
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