Mayweather the showman could leave them wanting more

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by DavidPayne, Jun 8, 2010.


  1. DavidPayne

    DavidPayne ***.boxingwriter.co.uk Full Member

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    I don't buy the Roach obsession line beyond his desire to prove his man is the superior fighter.

    Obviously, both are ATG lock-ins but without facing each other they will leave a sense of what could have been. After all, imagine if its a thriller and a rematch were to ensue.

    It is only in meeting a fighter good enough to take the greats to the limit that the truly outsanding careers are forged.

    Ali was the ultimate in that respect, though he paid a price one suspects Mayweather is sensibly unwilling to make to do it.
     
  2. spud1

    spud1 HAWK TIME!!!! Full Member

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    i definitely think roach is obsessed with floyd, when u train a fighter first you train him to the best of your knowledge, then you make a few defences hypothetically

    how do you become greater, you beat the best of a genration and that has to be freddies goal now, look how close he was to doing it before

    this obsession is going to nmake him delusioal the longer floyd stays away from them.. he knew pac waasnt ready to fight mayweather last march hwe even stated himself they need more time. even blaming pac havin a burst eardrum frm the cotto fight and then signing the fight with clottey a month later which makes no sense.

    both parties are to blame in this but roach knows he has bitten of more than he can chew
     
  3. spud1

    spud1 HAWK TIME!!!! Full Member

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    im a fan of both fighters, but no one is as accurate as floyd right now he knows hw to slow down a fighter like pac

    bearing in mind cotto was outboxing pac for the first 3 rounds before he had flashbacks of margo
     
  4. DavidPayne

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    I agree there was evidence enough in Cotto's performance to suggest Mayweather could box intelligently and upset Pacman's rhythm and belief very quickly.
     
  5. spud1

    spud1 HAWK TIME!!!! Full Member

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    david do u box
     
  6. crimson

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    And that sad. You are basically saying Pac is hungry for THE fight of his generation and Mayweather is not.

    Think about that for a second. For all your analysis you missed and defend the most glaring difference between the two. You are admiring PBF's managerial skills while you count it against Pac's competitive spirit.
     
  7. thesmokingm

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    Floyd tricked everyone when he retired the first time. He won't get away with it a second time. The world will see him for the chicken **** that he will be if he does it again.
     
  8. Gunns4hire

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    Pac is acting like a fighter who doesn't believe he deserves all the accolades the world has given him....

    Floyd is acting like a fighter who has all the accolades already...
    Floyd believes he is the best fighter on the planet and the biggest on the planet and his attitude lends itself to that belief

    Pac acts like he is not the best until he beats mayweather...

    the change in pacs swagger came after money embarrassed a fighter pacs camp wouldn't fight at 140 shane......And now they continuously have been validating mayweathers leverage
     
  9. DavidPayne

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    I have trained at my local ABA, sparred a little etc. But no, I've never boxed in the competitive sense. Why?
     
  10. DavidPayne

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    I'm counting nothing against Pacman. The original point is, dont dismiss the very real possibility of PBF retiring and leaving Pacman and the boxing world furstrated.

    In very similar circumstances he did it before, the difference here is the opponent is new and there is a few more million on the balance sheet.

    I wouldn't say I admire his managerial skill, as in suggest it is ideal, but I would suggest his decisions are very carefully made on a whole range of factors not just the short-term MONEY everyone expects him to be compelled by.

    I'd implore him to take the fight because I think he could stand Pacman on his head and I love Pacman, mostly dislike PBF.
     
  11. renyo

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    Pac is acting like alot of ATG throughout history... Which is to show the world how great he really is... If a challenge or threat arises take care of it..

    Floyd is acting like a drama queen who is upset he's never became the worldwide crossover star he so desperately yearns for.. Why would he go on dancing with the stars, unless he wanted to be a star.. That shows filled with has beens, washed ups, and reality show freaks.

    Floyd wants to control these negotiations in an attempt to prove who has the bigger name... Only in the U.S. is Floyd slightly more popular. Across the Globe Pacs face lights up worldwide marketing billboards, and the biggest magazine covers the world has to offer.

    Floyd will never get the recognition Pac, Hoya, or Tyson achieved.. And this is one more reason he never deserved it...

    Oh yea and Pac woukld have been crucified for fighting Mosley at 140, and rightfully so....
     
  12. Gunns4hire

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    actually the 140 fight was suggested by mosley because roach said he wouldnt fight him at 147... (roach says it on video)

    second you can't prove that pac is a bigger fighter world wide...no numbers suggest that (and no im not talking ppv)

    and mayweather is a crossover star...people just have more of an affinity for quiet quaint foreign asian men vs brash arrogant conceded black men that can fight ....(thats history homework for you)

    is pac acting like a champion..... no he is acting like a challenger period

    should he act like a champion sure but i think he knows that mayweather is running the sport in reality...I think there is a black cloud hanging over pacs head named mayweather....

    It has to concern pac that there is a man who prior to retiring was p4p #1 and u got that spot only because he was retired

    and for the 3 years prior to his retirement he was #1

    and for the 7 years prior to his retirement there was never a moment where he wasn't ranked higher p4p than you

    and he is still today undefeated and yet you r getting all the awards i

    Like kanye said America hates Black people and especially n words like Mayweather...
     
  13. spud1

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    obviously u dnt bunderstad the convept of marketing, floyd went on dance with the stars because it gets his name out there with a new audience who he wouldnt have originally interacted with. So now when they see him they r like thats that word champion boxer

    and in regards to him retiring thats bull**** aswell thats another marketing tool, by saying this look how many people have started talking his name again. Hius name is more than that it is a brand, i.e mayweather promotions. He has organised some big events outside of boxing, mary j blige concert and jay z concert among other things. So think again
     
  14. renyo

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    Yes Roach says alot.. I'm sure everyone remembers Shane willing to give his left nut for a shot at Pac.. 140 would've been crazy, and it was widespread that Mosley would be a dead man at 140 collecting a check...

    Yea it is proved by endorsements and media coverage.. check out what they made aside from boxing..

    Mayweather is not a crossover star, which is why he came back to the sport... Crossover stars make money doing different things.. Floyd went broke...

    Pac knows he doesn't have much time left in this sport.. a win over Floyd will skyrocket him even further. From 106-147, he wants to go down as one of the best to ever lace them up... Champions go after big challenges, it's what sets them apart from the rest..

    Floyd was born and bred to be a champion. Pac was born and bred to wear flip flops and sell peanuts on the side of the road... Of course it took longer for Pac to evolve into the fighter he is today.. World class training, dedication, and nutrition, can do an athlete wonders.:deal

    Undefeated record is only as good as the names on the list.. Mayweathers career has a long list of fighters we would have liked to see him fight... Whether this is his fault or theirs, it's a fact that can't be disputed.. Pac has a few we'd of liked to see, but hardly enough to see a trend.

    Yea America hates black people..:patsch Be for real that used to be true but now it's used by lazy bums who need an excuse for why they don't have ****... As far as anyone quoting corny ass Kanye :rofl.. WTF white America made that clown rich... you don't see nearly as many brothas listening to West as you do white kids in the burbs...
     
  15. renyo

    renyo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You're right I am not a marketing exec...

    Yea anyone with $$$$ can organize an event.... Guess why it costs money... If you spen it things happen... But he doesn't generate real money doing this... Unless you believe the stupid **** he says...