Mayweather Toughest Fight - Roach

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  1. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    Pac's punches come from all angles.
     
  2. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Fair enough my friend.......but you're wrong about me hoping against Pacquiao.

    I'll be happy to see Mayweather get humbled.......a Pacquiao win actually magnifies how good a fighter Marquez has been all these years.......

    .......but when I post here I call them like I see them.
    I rooted my heart out for JMM to win over Mayweather, but it did'nt stop me from picking Mayweather by clear UD over Marquez.
     
  3. stormy

    stormy Live and Learn Full Member

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    I sometimes wonder if Floyd was very aware that the Paqiao fight was on the horizon if all went well,so he took it easier on Marquez when he had him hurt just to make it seem like he lacked the required ability and power to do just that?


    But moving right along......


    In the Hatton fight Floyd was caught a number of times and that fight suggested to me that to get to Floyd it will mosy likely be in the first 4-5 rounds....after that he gets into his stride and morphs into the ringmaster after that.


    When Cotto was up on his toes and managing the distance between himself and Pacman, he was actually looking good -good enough to be able to turn the fight around if he had started moving around 4 rounds earlier perhaps:hey
     
  4. puga_ni_nana

    puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll Full Member

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    i'm a big cotto fan as well as pac fan but he did not looked good fighting off the backfoot. by that time, he was just buying time and did not look that he was still on the fight. 1st round he was keeping the distance and it went well. pac made cotto comfortable going in by staying on the ropes. good strategy for pac imo.
     
  5. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    I like how Nacho described Mayweather in one of the 24/7's leading up to the Mayweather-Marquez fights......

    Nacho was telling Marquez, "be very alive, be very alive....this man can hurt you with his first 2 shots......once he fires that 2nd shot, go on the attack, because the 3rd shot usually does'nt come, and if it does, there is usually not much behind it."

    ......I was looking for that during the fight, and Marquez was attacking after Mayweather's 2nd shot, but there was either too much spring action in Mayweather's step as he manuevered out......and when Mayweather stayed, he stretched out his whole body with his head tilting way back and his left forearm ready to catch any of Marquez incoming......

    .....being that Mayweather was much the stronger and quicker fighter, there was'nt much Marquez could do about it.

    Marquez had the tooth and the know how, but he did'nt have any physical advantage to make it work for him.

    Pacquiao has speed and snap on his punches, but he does'nt have the tooth and know how imo to make the immediate in ring adjustments that only fighters (not trainers) can make in the ring.

    In any regards, because of that speed and snap in his shots that Pacquiao has, I think we're going to see Mayweather move about the ring more then he did against Marquez.......

    Mayweather picked his spots in which to unleach power on Marquez......I dont see it being any different with Pacquiao.......
    The big difference for me to think that Mayweather has a better possibility to knock Manny out is that Manny really takes a long step toward unloading that straight left of his.
    Pacquiao closes distance very fast.......Mayweather will certainly be cautious and be gauging that straight left of Pacquiao early on, and by the time he gets set tot test Pacquiao, he's going to have his timing and rhythm set to explode with that right hand counter.


    I thought during those Marquez-Pacquiao fights that Marquez was a little to willing to immediately take chances on the counter (that just his Mexican ego nature:yep......sure makes for exciting fights does'nt it?:D) Mayweather however is'nt going to be letting his strong counters loose unless he's totally sure he's got the rhythm and timing down pat.

    No doubt about it, Mayweather is a more patient fighter than is Marquez, and it will likely work to his favor against Pacquiao, because its going to give Pacquiao less openings to unleach his power.
     
  6. Sting

    Sting Akagami no Shanks Full Member

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    It means neither Roach and Manny are underestimating Floyd. That's very good IMO. Raises their chances of beating 'Money'.
     
  7. Phenix

    Phenix Capo Full Member

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    Excellent post, however, you waisting your time. They wont see it untill March 13th:thumbsup
     
  8. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yep, but its always fun needling them and being on record having said it!:yep
     
  9. Cocteau

    Cocteau Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No. Historian will judge the Pac/JMM II differrently. If Pac wins against FMJ it's a proof that Pacquiao is a trully legit natural welterweight by winning against two prime WW. It will prove that: 2 years ago, Pac has no business at 129 lbs against Marquez, he was weight drained why the fight was close. Eventhough he won the fight via SD with a KO anyway.
     
  10. Cocteau

    Cocteau Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wrong. It's undestandable that you confuse conter puncher to being a technical fighter, most fans do. I suggest you watch more vids closer. I tell you this: Eventhough FMJ and JMM are both technical AND counter-punching style fighters, their style is VERY VERY different.

    I'll let your video watching spree be the judge to see for yourself. But i'll give you one clue: one of them is just pot shotting, the other is doing "counter-punching in combos" while being gutsy enough to get hit back (Morales also got this skill). Note that the other fighter ISN'T doing the latter's mentioned counter-punching style AT ALL in all his fights, in fact the other isn't much of a counter-puncher fighter in style really, just technically skilled overall. That's why you're wrong. Conclusion, though both technically skilled , they are VERY VERY different, one style "might" not give Pac a hard-time.
     
  11. Farmboxer

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    Only a roach will survive a nuclear war..............
     
  12. Moth

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    Pac's got problems with counter punchers. Just look at the Marquez fights. Mayweather is the best counter puncher out there. Look at the compubox numbers from the Marquez fight. Marquez barely touched him.