Mayweather v Pacquiao is defintely off.

I don't know where you've got this bollocks from. Taking WWE as an example your statement contradicts itself: you say the testing is more rigorous, yet follow with:

So the testing clearly ISN'T more rigorous as it's completely open to abuse.

Secondly, it's NOT a completitive sport in the same way boxing is. It's incredibly physically demanding and the fighters need to perform more often than boxers do, but there aren't the same risks of damage from the actual fighting. The steroids perform two functions:

- they make it easier to maintain the level of physique they require
- they help the wrestlers with the numerous injuries professional athletes pick up

There are some good websites discussing steroid abuse in the WWE, and also how integral it is to the sport of professional wrestling. Go look for them before bringing that up again.

That's not true - the random urine tests can be any time up until the fight. And there is NO EVIDENCE of Manny juicing other than Floyd Sr's unsubstantiated claims and Floyd Jr's suggestions.

Manny agreed, quite reasonably, that he would drop the lawsuit in return for an official apology for suggesting he was a drug cheat. He also agreed that he would take a RANDOM blood test at the time of the first press conference, up to 24 days before the fight, and right after the fight. He agreed to random urine tests as required by NSAC.

I repeat this: there is no evidence to even suspect Manny of doping. None. So there is no need for Mayweather to pull this testing crap other than to create an outdoor and an easy way of discrediting the fact that Manny is much more impressive than he is.

 

Give it a rest with the "apologists" line, people who don't agree with you don't have to be "apologists".

I've tried to discuss this fairly and I've no axe to grind with either fighter but its your logic thats betraying bias here. If you can't see the weight and 10 mill issues for what they very clearly are then I guess its me that should be calling you the "A-word".

 

I'm not saying you need to praise him. 10 million is a ridiculous figure though.

Once upon a time 144 would be easy for Floyd but missing it by 2 pounds, not weighing in unofficially and requesting 154 makes you wonder. Pac then throws in a 10 mil fine and that wasn't at the beginning of the negotiations. That was a spanner thrown in the works much later and Schaefer said this but they still said yes straight away. It's another concession and ridiculous one that could and should have been negotiated but just to get the fight done they said yes straight away.

No one wants to say anything about any Floyd concession yet we aren't ridiculing a man who is scared of needles, weakened by needles, mentally affected etc It's all bollocks and for $40 mil too. Pathetic.

For $40 mil I'd give blood during the one minute intervals!

 

The difference is, Pac doesn't need the 40mil.

 

I won't give it a rest. In my mind, people arguing so strongly for everything to do with pac are apologists. The pac apologists i'm debating with aren't conceeding one thing for floyd. it's all pac this, pac that and its bollocks.

my logic isn't betraying anything. i've called both guys pathetic, i'm a fan of both fighters, on the ppv front at one stage i was saying if proven wrong i would conceed, dan has brought a few points about testing etc and i accepted them. so i'm being rational and using logic.

a-word :lol

If you see 10mil as so pathetic for floyd then don't you think its pathetic to request it. it works both ways but an apologist can't see that :yep

 

Didn't Pac-Cotto outsell Mayweather-Marquez in the States?

 

Wonder how many points the iq level plumeted in the gf today.:think

 

neither does floyd but it's all relative isn't it. to maintain pacs standard of living he does need 40 mil.

more importantly they both need it for their legacy.

pac beating yuri foreman in his 8th weight class should help silence the PED critics. NOT.

 

Not its not. The figure is irrelevant because Mayweather knows he won't have to pay it. Surely that much is obvious?

 

Floyd does need the money though, his tax problems are well documented.

Pac's legacy is secure, beating Marquez, Barrera and Morales alone was a legacy in itself. Mayweather's is secure also, but there will be doubters because of what he didn't do at 147.

Now you're just hypothesing. To me that fight is very risky for Pac, not because Foreman is that good, but because this really could be a step too far. Pac's never been adverse to risk taking though, so it'll be no surprise if this fight goes ahead.

 

In response to Threethriteen.

Random Urine Testing and scheduled Blood Testing is stricter than whats required in a Nevada boxing match where they test urine for Performance Enhancers and Blood for disease's only.

My whole point is there drug testing is better and its not even a competative sport. I have read plenty of the websites about drug testing in all sports and pro wrestling in recent weeks.

I meant to say random urine testing at anytime as well as blood tests up to 24 days before the fight.

I find it funny that people think Floyd Mayweather Snr created these rumours about Pacquiao out of thin air last year. There have been rumours about Pacquiao for a while. Not steroid rumours, but growth hormone.

When Mayweather first started talking about it, I though it was crazy as well, and Pacquiaos team ignored it. As soon as its brought up in a fight situation Manny, Freddie Roach and Bob Arum all reacting like they have, jumping up and down and making counter-claims and refusing to take the tests in such an aggressive manner. I feel they have made an issue out of this. Now I’m not for one minute saying he IS guilty of doing anything wrong, Manny has never in his entire career failed a drug test. But why the big refusal? They have not given one reason important enough for me to think they are right in not taking the test.

the reason Team Mayweather want the blood test is because they are suspicious of Growth Hormone being used. Not steroids. Growth Hormone shows up only in blood tests, not urine tests and can be out of the blood stream within a couple of days. That’s why a urine test isn’t good enough and why a blood test 24 days before a fight isnt good enough.

whatever your thoughts are on either fighter or this situation and the motives each have, surley you agree the standard fo testing in boxing is not good enough and it would be easy for a drug cheat to get away with it?

We were all saying this fight was going to be massive for boxing and would get general sports fans intresed, the general sports fans view is going to be "they should be doing these tests as a standard anyway, i guess boxing is more corrupt than i thought"

 

So why don;t you widen the debate and forget about those laughable "concessions". No one is arguing strongly, I understand you are answering posts from a number of people and that can be difficult but don't think the fact that I don't think Floyd hasn't conceeded much means that I don't think Pac should agree to the drugs test.

Try using some of that famed logic on the 10 million per pound issue. surely you can see that for what it is?

Your sentence I've bolded just doesn't make any sense. Pac requested the condidtion because Mayweather pulled a fast one on the scales against JMM and Mayweather agreed to it because he knows he can make 147 comfortably and won't have to pay it. Theres no ""pathetic" about it from either side of the debate, it just is what it is. An insurance policy that Mayweather knows he won't have to pay out on. Surely that is obvious to you?

(Using :yep smilies to back up iffy arguments? Kos was right, its getting like the GF)

 

Some doctors have gone on record saying growth hormones wouldn't necessarily show up in a blood test anyway. Do you seriously think they are going to cycle him on them within that 24 day period, I'm sure that's not the way they are used anyway.

 

It's stupid to agree to ten million just in case of freak accidents like the scales being off. Why aren't you saying its stupid to request ten million. Especially at a later stage. Seems like an ego boost for the Pac team.

Like I said, missing 144, not weighing in unofficially and reqesting 154 should at least make someone wonder.

Let's be honest, before this fight no one thought Pac was on drugs but now people do. Just like everyone would assume Floyd could make 147 easy but could now think again.

My main issue has always been the drug testing. All these other points I'm discussing are tangents.

 

so just take a ****ing test then