Mayweather v Pacquiao is defintely off.

Agreed on the 10oz gloves but in this case they are an advantage to Floyd. Floyd made concessions vs DLH too but everyone still hated on him.

 

Arguably? You won't commit to that though because you know it's not true. Anyway, someone else is taking you to school on the PPV thing, I'll leave you to come up with some more spurious facts to back up your flimsy argument.

Hatton a better win than Barrera.:rofl:rofl:rofl

Because he's deliberately misconstruing the sequence of events to suit his agenda.

 

Your argument is moot. It would be an advantage to Floyd. I think the fight should be at 147 but Pacs camp still said absolutely no way is the fight happening unless all my demands are met. Floyd met every demand and was even negotiating on drug testing. Pacs camp are pathetic.

 

You'd like it to be moot, but you know it's not. Weren't you the one arguing about Mayweather not being a welterweight, now he's reasonable for not wanting a fight at 154?

 

Debating legacies is debatable. Floyd never killed himself to make weight so he could call himself 6 or 7 weight champ. Floyd never jumped divisions and has beaten nearly all lineal champs in the weights he fought at.

At 21, with 17 fights, none against a worthwhile contender, Floyd fought a great fighter, undefeated at 130 and absolutely dominated him. That impresses the hell out of me.

The Hatton win Floyd got is arguably better than the Cotto win for Pac. It depends how you want to look at it. Undefeated, lineal champ, two weight champ, wins over Tszyu and Castillo etc etc Cotto had two career ending fights versus Clottey and Margo and was looking at the most beatable he had in his career.

Your argument on the negotiations is pathetic and no matter how many tangents we go off on this cannot be refuted.

 

It is a moot point. When was I arguing Floyd isn't a welterweight?

Floyd conceeded ANOTHER point to Pac but you can't seem to gauge or admit this. Really pathetic.

I don't hate either fighter. I'm huge fans of both but calling it like it is. You definitely have an agenda.

 

The fact you call this wrong shows you have an agenda. Pac apologist.

 

because no matter what methods are used, i will eventually bring them back to the fact that they need to recognise how hard floyds camp worked to make this fight and backing pac blindly is pathetic.

 

You know Floyd fought Hatton at 147 right? So now Pac was killing himself to make weight? I thought you said it was dodgy the way he'd come up through the weights? You know he started fighting as a teenager?

You feel my arguments are pathetic because you don't agree with them. The fact you get angry everytime we debate this shows me you are emotionally involved. That's cool, but don't try and dismiss my opinion as "pathetic" when you, regularly, get basic facts wrong.

 

These "consessions" apparently granted by Floyd are really a big **** all but I do wish Pac would just swallow his pride and take the tests.

 

The numbers do compare. You're not comparing them.

You say 'when Mayweather wasn't a big PPV fighter' he still did decent numbers. True enough, but no more decent than the numbers Pacquiao did when he wasn't a big PPV fighter:

Mayweather vs Gatt (365k), Judah (350k), Baldomir (325k)
Pacquiao vs Barrera II (350k), Morales III (360k), Marquez II (400k).

In their respective two fights since fighting DLH, HBO sales are

Mayweather vs Hatton 925k
Pacquiao vs Hatton 850k

Mayweather vs Marquez 1.05million
Pacquiao vs Cotto 1.25 million

So really the only argument you have is that Mayweather's fight with DLH sold considerably more than Pacquiao's. But there are obvious reasons why that would be so and they have more to do with DLH than with either of his opponents. Aside from that the numbers are noticeably equivalent.

 

Even if you weren't arguing that, how is it a concession? It's like saying Pavlik fighting Williams at 160 is a concession because Kelly once fought at light heavy.

It doesn't matter how many times you say my argument is pathetic, you're clearly angry which suggests part of you thinks I'm right.

It was wrong, you got the sequence of events wrong. I could just as easily call you a Mayweather apologist, but I prefer to leave cheap, desparate attempts to undermine on the General Forum.

You seem to think you're the authority on this subject, scoffing, haughtily, at the rest of the ignorami. You're not that guy though.

 

So, Floyds also a small guy and Hatton had fought at 147 before.

It's irrefutable that Pac killed himself to make weight plus he was young. Both things have to be considered.

I never said it was dodgy he'd come up through the weights. I don't question pac. Floyd and his camp is and this is there reasoning. A small guy walking through Cotto. They think his skills are garbage. I totally disagree. However if someone makes this claim, you can prove them wrong by taking the fighting and passing the tests.

I'm not getting angry at all. I have rationally assessed that your take on issues are pathetic. You have an agenda becuase you are a Pac apologist.

What basic facts have I got wrong that suddenly bring my argument crashing down. Nothing. I love how you moan so much about Floyds request but don't stop to assess a single Pac request. This is another reason why I think your argument is pathetic.

 

Floydd should have stayed retired. What an arse.

 

You got the sequence of events wrong about the testing, someone's just schooled you on the PPV thing, plus you were ignorant about the Olympic style testing procedure.

So Floyd's a small guy again? You're contradicting yourself. You're also contradicting yourself by saying you don't think Pac coming up through the weights is dodgy but Floyd's demand for unprecedented testing is justified.